GULEN MOVEMENT FUNDED BY HEROIN VIA THE C.I.A.

UNCLE SAM BECOMES A SARACEN

GOG AND MAGOG ARISE IN PENNSYLVANIA

by

Paul L. Williams, Ph.D.

Court records and the testimony of former government officials show that Fethullah Gulen, who presently resides in Pennsylvania, has amassed more than $25 billion in assets from the heroin route which runs from Afghanistan to Turkey.

Sibel Edmonds, a former FBI translator, testified that the drug money has been channeled into Gulen’s coffers by the C.I.A.

“A lot of the drugs were going to Belgium with NATO planes,” Ms. Edmonds said. “After that, they went to the UK, and a lot came to the US via military planes to distribution centers in Chicago, and Paterson, New Jersey.”

Ms. Edmonds further said that Turkish diplomats, who would never be searched by airport officials, have come into the country “with suitcases of heroin.”

According to Ms. Edmond and other government witnesses, Gulen began to receive funding from the CIA in the wake of the collapse of the Soviet Union when federal officials realized that the U.S. could not obtain control of the vast energy resources of the newly created Russian republics because of deep-seated suspicion of American motives.

Turkey, the U.S. officials came to realize, could serve as a perfect “proxy” since it was a NATO ally that shared the same language, culture, and religion as the other Central Asian countries.

The strategy has met with success since Turkey has formed an alliance with Iran and is emerging as the world’s most powerful Islamic nation.

But the success has come with a price. The only way to provide Gulen with sufficient funds to topple Turkey’s secular regime and to conduct education jihad within the Russian republics came from the poppy fields of Afghanistan.

This scenario serves to explain why US-led coalition troops in Afghanistan are forbidden to firebomb the fields or fumigate the poppies with a chemical herbicide, such as glyphosate.

Despite such testimony and growing concern over Turkey, the Obama administration has opted to turn a blind eye to Gulen and his mountain fortress in Saylorsburg, Pennsylvania.

Fethullah Gulen has been called the “most dangerous Islamist” on the planet.

In his native Turkey, Gulen’s vast fortune has been used to create the Justice and Democratic Party (Adalet ve Kalkinma, AKP), which has gained control of the government.

With the elections of 2002, the AKP gained absolute control of the Turkish government.

Abdullah Gul, Turkey’s first Islamist President, is a Gulen disciple along with Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, and Yusuf Ziya Ozcan, the head of Turkey’s Council of Higher Education.

Under the AKP, Turkey has transformed from a secular state into an Islamic country with 85,000 active mosques – – one for every 350- citizens – – the highest number per capita in the world, 90,000 imams, more imams than teachers and physicians – – and thousands of state-run Islamic schools.

Despite the rhetoric of European Union accession, Turkey has transferred its alliance from Europe and the United States to Russia and Iran. It has moved toward friendship with Hamas, Hezbollah, and Syria and created a pervasive anti-Christian, anti-Jewish, and anti-America animus throughout the populace.

Gulen has purchased newspapers, television networks, construction companies, universities, banks, utilities, technological outlets, pharmaceutics, and manufacturing firms throughout the country.

In addition, he has established thousands of madrassahs (Islamic religious schools) throughout Central Asia where students are indoctrinated in the tenets of militant Islam so they may be of service in the creation of a universal caliphate.

This notion is not an idle pipedream. The dream of a universal caliphate came closer to reality in recent weeks with the collapse of the secular government in Kyrgyzstan,

But the Gulen movement is not confined to Turkey and Central Asia.

Eighty-five Gulen schools have been set up in the United States as charter academies funded by public funds.

Is Gulen really affiliated with the CIA?

In support of his application for permanent residency status, Gulen obtained letters of support and endorsement, from Graham Fuller and other former CIA officials.

His petition was also endorsed by former Under Secretary of State Marc Grossman, and former Ambassador to Turkey Morton Abramowitz.

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102 Responses to GULEN MOVEMENT FUNDED BY HEROIN VIA THE C.I.A.

  1. BabbaZee says:

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  2. erol alkan says:

    Well…it is true that Fethullah Gulen group became a islamic mafia organization last 20 years. Although I’m sure very soon the americans will kick him out because of his sneaky activities and his sinister organization

  3. erol alkan says:

    Fethullah gulen followers are liar,deceptive and sneaky. If you walk in one of his charter schools here and ask if they are related to fethullah group, they will lie and deny. Although they all have standart answer which is”we are not connected to Fethullah Gulen but some of us knows and believes Fethullah Gulen”. As fethullah’s washington dc man Faruk Taban replied. By the way I feel bad for the guy Mr Taban. Since he is english is so bad he couldn’t teach at the universities so he had no choice but work for Fethullah’s group in washington dc

  4. AmericatheBrave says:

    Nothing would surprise me about this parasite Gulen and his cult. They cannot even lie properly.
    What I don’t understand is, many people in Turkey hate this sick bastard, they even call him a Kurd.
    Why hasn’t some Turkish assassin taken him out?
    The turkish military doesn’t care for him, lots of issues.
    These teachers from Turkey are not even teachers in Turkey, why is our government allowing this whale dung into our country.
    here is a website started by an Ex gulen Teacher
    http://www.charterschoolwatchdog.com

  5. erol alkan says:

    Hello americathebrave. Turkey is a place of clash of western and middleeastern cultures. Some like don’t like him but unfo some like him. We have so many internal problems. We don’t need enemies. Unfo we are enemy to ourselves. So many different races and minds in a one country. It is very diffucult situation.

  6. AmericatheBrave says:

    Merhaba Alkan;
    Sounds like America somethimes with the inner struggles. we got to get back to what is right for our future and the masses. Not special interest groups. This Gulen thing is really unraveling in the USA, maybe the the powers are done with him. When America is done they are done, as General Noreigo and Saddam Hussein, put them in to power then we destroy them (with a little help from the inside out) I believe with our US intelligence we already have people inflitrated into Gulen’s inner circle.

  7. erol alkan says:

    Glad to hear that americathebrave. If it is true then I can say GOD BLESS AMERICA

  8. erol alkan says:

    Dear Gulen follower.

    You can write whatever you want but as you know the truth is different. The truth is gulen movement became islamic mafia last 20 yrs (as one of your ex leader nurettin veren said that).
    My question here:did fethullah gulen asked to his followers to infiltriate in to the government and miltary institutions without being noticed? It is very simple question and please say simple answer YES or NO

  9. AmericatheBrave says:

    Here is the movie trailer for “5 Minarets of New York” , they indicate it will be released in November 2010. It seems very loosely about Fetullah Gulen, an exiled Turkish Islamic Imman who now resides in New York with a big following. Educating others in “dialogue” “education”, etc.,
    Turkish secret police try to capture and bring him back to Turkey for outstanding charges. Information tells me that Danny Glover is in this film, it looks like it will be interesting.
    http://www.jimgucciardo.com/Feature-Film/NYda-Bes-MInare/11253446_PTB2D#789795472_zyXxq-A-LB

  10. erol alkan says:

    Hello americathebrave

    If you watch you tube the movie trailer. You will see the turkish terorrist imam looks like fethullah gullen. The original name for the movie””5 minarets in newyork-the antichrist ( newyork’ta 5 minare deccal)” I hope that movie comes reality one day.

  11. Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu says:

    Americathecomic

    You have written,
    “What I don’t understand is, many people in Turkey hate this sick bastard, they even call him a Kurd.
    Why hasn’t some Turkish assassin taken him out?”
    ……………………………………………………………………………

    Do you think that we are murders as you are ?

    Do you think that solving the problem which was already created by CİA and USA, by using the Turkey is fair.

    You have created that problem, you have to solve it by yourself.

    By the way I see that you are still not aware of, why you “imperialists” created this problem.

    Kindly answer that questions…

    How many horsepower does your car have?
    How big its engine ?
    How many galloons of petrol it consumpts in 100 miles ?
    How many millions of people in USA has more than one car ?
    Do you know anything about the energy dependence ratio in USA ?
    Do you know anything about the oil production ratio in USA ?
    Do you know anytihing about the energy shortage in USA ?

    Do you know that if USA did not exploit the rest of the worlds oil and mine sources, you !!! the americancomic, can not drive your giant car to the next shop just for buying a bublegum ?

    You ( The imperialists) have to create colloborator leaders to exploit the rest of the world.
    and when you are done with that leader, you murders, kill them.

    Shame on you ,
    Shame on that colloborator leaders,
    Shame on imperialism.

    Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu

  12. istambul says:

    “Believe me, dear Mr. President, that I am very thankful to you for your sincere feelings and your appreciative understanding of the progress realized in modern Turkey.

    I avail myself of this opportunity to express once again my admiration for the United States of America, especially since our respective countries cherish the same ideal which is universal peace and welfare of humanity.”

    This is from a letter written by Ataturk to Franklin Roosevelt in 1937. http://www.istanbullite.com/capsinenglish8595/ataturkrooseveltletters.html

    Such a pity, today´s politicians don´t love their countries anymore and they just think of their short term political interests, and money.

    But i have hope, we have the chance today to share our knowledge which is our only weapon to dark minds. Thanks to Paul for this brave blog and thanks to honest people like Sibel, i appreciate your efforts much.

  13. erol alkan says:

    Dear kuvvai millyeci

    Americathebrave already said that USA has internal struggles too. The world dpendency on oil and arabic countries should be reduced. But unfortunately the big car companies ,oil companies and their lobbies in washington dc.stopped the advancement of the electric car. So we just pouring our money to arabs. As you know most expensive gasoline in Turkey compare to the rest of the world. I just hope that the world finds alternative option asap so we don’t and nobody has to kiss arab’ s butt anymore for an oil. Regarding Fethullah Gulen the USA has responsibility since she welcomed Gulen here but we have responsibility to warn americans for him if they don’t listen then we can’t do nothing. Although I really appreciate paul williams coming out and exposing this men.

  14. Metin Kirhan says:

    Hey Erol and Other Haters,

    You asked a question about infiltration. Infiltration happens when a person from another “nationality” or “ethnic root” tries to enter a state institution, but Turks (I am not talking about the White Turks like you) do not “infiltrate” in the state institutions: they basically deserve and enter. This is our country. We are not like Jews, Armenians or some other “malum” (known) groups who have been trying to infiltrate all state institutions. Infiltration, like I said, happens in your situation, not in ours. We, Turkish citizens, deserve to work in any private or public institution and all Turkish citizens comply with the same rules and regulations. But your situation could be different, because those people with the same mindset like you need to “infiltrate” in order to enter a state institution.

  15. AmericatheBrave says:

    Metin Pasha,
    Your analogy is too funny, YOU as a non American citizen DO NOT deserve to work anywhere in the USA. I know how Turkey treats their minorities who were the true indigenous people of Turkey long before the invasion of the Seljuk Mongolian Turks of Central Asia.
    You don’t want to “inflitrate” you want to take control, as in the ottoman empire. As far as your analogy of the Jews, Armenians or whatever groups..they have nothing to do with this absurd argument. They are not “malum” as you state but dignified ancient people who have created much to the world by way of patents.
    This attitude and mentality might work in Turkiye but not the USA, the state department is very aware of Gulen. They should be they helped create him, only to use him for $$ and control.
    Your post is so ignorant, it is the point of many educated Turkish people, they do not wish to be pulled down by ignorance, hypocrisy and sense of entitlement that many Turkish (including you) have. You deserve no RIGHTS in my country.
    What do you think would happen in non-Turkish Christians tried to open religious-based schools in Turkey? I can tell you would happen they would be killed like the priest 3 weeks ago or the christian missionaries who had their throats slit.

  16. AmericatheBrave says:

    Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu The Clown Puppet;

    Your post has many crazy questions in it. But I will answer the ones that are relevant or coherent to the discussions. Do I think you are murders as we are? YES! hasn’t this been proven over the last century that Turkish are capable of unspeakable crimes against others? thank God, 1/2 of Europe remembers the Ottoman invasions and will not OK Turkiye for European Union admission.
    I will skip your foolish questions about energy, bubble gum and such as it has nothing to do with the price of meat in Timbuktu (a land never conquered by the Turks)?

    Imperialism is an interesting concept—I will not deny that Great Britain, USA, Russia and TURKIYE have been the biggest perpatrators of this. Doesn’t make it right nevertheless. Look in the mirror before you speak, no one said America was perfect. In fact, the conversations (if you read it) were we are disgusted how the American government is protecting the Islamic Mafia of the Gulen Movement. My guess from my military connections and historical information is that the USA is using Gulen and when they are done with him—well just look at Saddam Hussein and General Noreigo of Panama – the USA put both into power then systematically destroyed them.

    America plays the game that the other countries play, exploiting collaborative leaders is not a new idea invented by the USA.
    Shame on me?
    or Shame on my government?
    I have never said I agree with them exploiting the likes of Gulen or the rest, never! But their attitude is if it produces the results they want they will proceed with the best plans.

    Murder.
    Interesting how Gulen sits under informal house arrest in the Poconos, PA. This self-imposed exile serves more to protect him than it does to reveal the truth. Gulen’s body guards are there for a reason and it isn’t for the daily Suras.

  17. AmericatheBrave says:

    Metin and Kuvvai
    Sorry if I offended you, I am sure you both might have interest$ in Hizmet.
    ikiniz dinle şeyler hakkında konuşmak hiçbir şey hakkında. Gülen ve Turkikye seni karanlıkta tutar, Madde 301 bir sebep için. Gerçeği ve Türkiye birlikte gitmez.
    onlar Orta Asya Türk ülkelerinin tüm petrol ve kaynakları elde var bir zamanlar ABD Türkiye ile yapılacaktır.
    Ne size özel ya da önemli olduğunu, sen zavallı Türk halkı Milliyetçilik tarafından yıkanmış ve yalanlar.
    Erdoğan ve Gül, güldü olacak ofis Türkiye’nin en rightous insanlar tarafından orkestra ile.
    Gülen geri deneme ve onun faaliyetleri için ABD’de kapalı olacaktır getirilecektir. Bütün olmayan Amerika Gülen’in takipçileri olarak dışarı ABD – Türkiye’ye geri sınırdışı edilecekler.

  18. Turan says:

    Speak for yourselves, as a Turkish-American I don’t view anyone as a “malum” or evil. I have many Yahudi and Armenian business associates, they are fair in their dealings within the gem industry and work very well with others that approach them from an honest stance.
    Try to be ruthless or unprofessional and you will not win in business with them, keen and shrewed business people with no tolerance for lying and swindling.
    These groups have done more for the people of Sudan, Rwanda and other ethnic cleansing areas because they care about the right to existance that is every human’s right.
    My older brother and I were educated in the USA, we are proud to be Turkish but equally proud of being American and sharing the values of what makes this country so great. My older brother has converted to Christianity by his American wife. Myself? I choose to be agnostic because I think religion is well stupid, it serves no purpose but to create wars and governmental controls. My cousins in Germany all married Germans and live very happily. Turkish people in general do not assimilate well to their new host countries.
    Sometimes it’s ignorance, most the time it is Turkish pride. I have never gone to another country excepting anything from them. I just expect to be treated with dignity and fairness.

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  21. istambul says:

    Metin Efendi must know exactly what the word “infiltrate” means but taqiyya is not working anymore, at least we don´t buy it. This is what they do to democracies, they infiltrate and sneak into its institutions dreaming of a sharia. OOOpppss sorry i forgat “democracy is a train, you go out in any station you want” “democracy is not the aim it is the tool” right?

  22. Turan says:

    Unfortunately many naive Americans don’t understand Taqiyya and it’s concepts which is to lie, deceive PLAY VICTIM in the name of Allah.
    Lying and politics seem to go hand in hand.

  23. istambul says:

    Dear Turan, i learned the word taqiyya (you know it is arabic) quite late when Erbakan appeared in 90s. And my European brother in law explained me what it means first time 🙂 unfortunately Turks like us cannot make much noise, i mean multi cultural, multi religious, multi ethnic Turkish families. What i see when i go to Europe is mostly conservative Turks, who don´t respect the locals.
    Happy to know people like you exists. Americathebrave, i don´t know your experiences but we exist and we are not even that less as you consider.

  24. erol alkan says:

    According to the Turkish newspapers. Turkish National Intellligence Agency put gulen movement on the watch list again(after 2 yrs) as potential threat to Turkey

  25. Turan says:

    Arabic is the language of the Q’uran. My brother and I never bought into the BS, our parents were not strong devoted Moslems. Not so many conservative Turks in Europe there is a mix. Many radical ones living in the Netherlands. In Germany most started immigrating there in the 1970s as laborers. Some are very liberal Turkish people, all mixes. Germany has many different parties of Turkish people and Cologne is majority Turkish. Mosques outnumber any other houses of worship. Grey Wolf Turks are all over Europe.

    I am interested to know more about Gulen returning to the TNI watch list again. It seems that Pennsylvania isn’t so far from Turkey when it comes to having control over certain groups like the police, military, etc.,

  26. Turan says:

    My friend Burhan Gurdogan from Turkey writes about the dangers of Gulen in Turkey and America. The Comment Factory.
    http://www.thecommentfactory.com/the-gulen-movement-is-a-danger-spreading-from-turkey-to-the-world-2650/

  27. Turan says:

    Turkey’s State of Terror.
    http://europenews.dk/en/node/33186

  28. Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu says:

    @AmericatheComic

    I am totally agree with your following sentencess.

    “In fact, the conversations (if you read it) were we are disgusted how the American government is protecting the Islamic Mafia of the Gulen Movement. My guess from my military connections and historical information is that the USA is using Gulen and when they are done with him—well just look at Saddam Hussein and General Noreigo of Panama – the USA put both into power then systematically destroyed them.

    America plays the game that the other countries play, exploiting collaborative leaders is not a new idea invented by the USA.”

    I am totally disagree with your following sentence
    ” I am sure you both might have interest$ in Hizmet.”

    First of all, Gülen tries to destroy the Kemalist regime in Turkey, but we are the followers of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. ( Kemalist )

    İf you can use your brain cells, if any reamained due to your vulgar superstitions and strong and radical belief to your religion, you can easily understand that I have nothing to do with hizmet.

    As indicated in my previous messages, I am following this blog because you give valuable knowledge about this cult leader, his organisation, and his supporter that is USA. And we are used that informatin in our Kemalist web sites to wake our people’ eyes up and to highlight that this is an imperialist American project.

    Bye the way, I must say that, you, AmericatheComic, are not far away from a radical islamists ( mentally) . A radical islamists and a radical crusade are strong believers, they both use their brain cells ONLY to believe. ( right or wrong, superstition or fact, roumor, or proven ) but not to investigate, not to judge.

    They dont have “what if…” question,

    An easy and a primitive way of living huh. :))

    But we Anatolians, we put our minds in front of our beliefs.

    You are still not aware of, your country that you have critisized, exploid all the countries with different ways, projects and tactics, We pay the bill, and USA ( including yourself ) live in wellfair.

    We the Turks gave and won the first fight against imperialism in the history at 1923. All we want is to live in our country in full independance and in full freedom.Because we are the followers of the leader ( Atatürk ) who said, Independence is my character.

    So any information about the most dangerous İslamist in the world, and the country behind him is most wellcomed.

    But the comic preconceived opinions can only make us laugh.

    Regards to Paul Williams.

    Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu

  29. istambul says:

    CIA was involved in the 1980 military coup in Turkey too, which i believe we as the Turkish society (Kurds, Turks no matter which ethnicity) has still the trauma of the coup because the ones who were responsible never brought to courts.
    A lot of people got lost, tortured or died.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_military_coup

    Kuvvai Milliye and a lot of secular people have prejudges to all Americans because of these reasons, CIA was always putting its nose into our internal affairs.

    But as i mentioned before, communication is the best thing we have and sharing the information, a lot of Americans i met (actually all of them), are really innocent, good people, Kuvvai Milliye you are angry to wrong guys. You cannot blame all Americans for USA´s foreign policies, you shall not. I see you are a nationalist but not a racist, but sometimes you sound like one.

  30. AmericatheBrave says:

    Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu the radical one;
    Merhaba!
    Just when you start making a bit of sense, you laughingly say I wound like a radical Moslem! That is inaccurage as well as a hysterical notion. Now who suffers from paranoia and conspiracy theories?

    Part of your post:
    Bye the way, I must say that, you, AmericatheComic, are not far away from a radical islamists ( mentally) . A radical islamists and a radical crusade are strong believers, they both use their brain cells ONLY to believe. ( right or wrong, superstition or fact, roumor, or proven ) but not to investigate, not to judge.

    They dont have “what if…” question,

    An easy and a primitive way of living huh. )

    But we Anatolians, we put our minds in front of our beliefs.

    You are still not aware of, your country that you have critisized, exploid all the countries with different ways, projects and tactics, We pay the bill, and USA ( including yourself ) live in wellfair.

    We the Turks gave and won the first fight against imperialism in the history at 1923. All we want is to live in our country in full independance and in full freedom.Because we are the followers of the leader ( Atatürk ) who said, Independence is my character.

    So any information about the most dangerous İslamist in the world, and the country behind him is most wellcomed.

    1) First of all, I use facts, documentation to support what I say on here. Never once have you given any substantiated information just accusations or assumptions.
    2) Anatolia is actually eastern Turkey, historical Kurdistan and Armenia. Are you saying you are Kurdish like Gulen?
    3) When did “you” pay the bills so Americans or “YOU” can live on welfare (note the correct spelling) Poverty in Turkey is much higher than the USA. Your peasants are treated like animals, no education, no rights, woman second class citizens. Multiple wives are still common. Do explain about this and use a better analogy with strong argumentation.
    4) Many people feel Gulen is the Attaturk of the 21st century. Attaturk had many emotional and distressing problems. As a leader, he said and did the right things at the right time in history for Turkey. Changing the image from the dark days of the Ottoman Empire to the Republic of Turkey was his goal. Also your alphabet and other things were changed in 1924-1928. Many things were changed in Turkey most was to rid Turkey of the label “Sick Man of Europe”.

    If you are comparing my patriotism for America as a radical Moslem thinks, I wear the badge proudly. America is who my loyalty lies with, I certainly don’t agree with all the underhanded dealings that our government has pulled and the end result affects American citizens (like the allowing of Gulen Charter Schools) Some how, you must understand the government has these spy games in place for a reason. Let them succeed for a while to only set them up to fail. America will win.

  31. Metin Kirhan says:

    Hey AmeircatheBrave,

    What you are saying is very funny. Do you know where the USA opened its first overseas school? In the UK? In Italy? In China? No.. In Ottoman Turkey. It was Robert College as you might know. Ottomans were so tolerant that by the end of the 19th century, there were “missionary schools” all around Turkey even in small towns such as Tarsus. Remember Tarsus Amerikan Lisesi… I do not even count the French schools (Saint Jospeh, Saint Benoit and others), German schools or Austrian schools. Most of the Turks now occupying top level positions in Turkey graduated from those missionary schools. You like distorting the facts. Those schools are still operating in Turkey and you are clumsily asking to me if a new missionary school ever opens in Turkey. If such a school opens, there is not problem with me. But it might be a problem with your “ultra nationalistic” (ulusalci) friends.

    As for Jews and some other “malum” nations. I can only say, “ha, ha, ha”. We all know what they have done in Turkey. Who is behind PKK? Think about it. Anyway, I do not want to waste my precious time with this junk news of Paul Williams. He can keep dreaming. I know he has the “given duty” of telling something about Mr. Gulen every 10 days or two weeks. I am looking forward to hearing his upcoming “junks”. By the way, in all his articles, he constantly repeats the same old rubbish, because he does not have anything to write new!

  32. Metin Kirhan says:

    By the way, HOW DID YOU WRITE THIS? DID YOU USE GOOGLE TRANSLATE? YOU CAN’T SPEAK TURKISH, THAT IS OK, BUT PLEASE USE A BETTER SOFTWARE NEXT TIME, OK?

    onlar Orta Asya Türk ülkelerinin tüm petrol ve kaynakları elde var bir zamanlar ABD Türkiye ile yapılacaktır.
    Ne size özel ya da önemli olduğunu, sen zavallı Türk halkı Milliyetçilik tarafından yıkanmış ve yalanlar.
    Erdoğan ve Gül, güldü olacak ofis Türkiye’nin en rightous insanlar tarafından orkestra ile.
    Gülen geri deneme ve onun faaliyetleri için ABD’de kapalı olacaktır getirilecektir. Bütün olmayan Amerika Gülen’in takipçileri olarak dışarı ABD – Türkiye’ye geri sınırdışı edilecekler.

  33. erol alkan says:

    Hey metin. You told me that you don’t infiltrate then can you explain to me. What’s SIZINTI (your one of the first magazine name)means? Yes you can buy people in Turkey but not here. I hate to disappoint you but you will fail here. Americans just don’t like islamic mafia associations. In another letter I will explain why your movement became dirty islamic mafia last 20 years. May be you already know that.

  34. istambul says:

    There is nothing fancy with Ottomans, and you are so brainwashed unbelievable.
    How tolerance they were lets talk about how they were behaving to the “boys””yeniceri” who they kidnapped from their christian families.

    “Some of the sultans had famous affairs with boys. There was even a palace for boys in Bursa. In this palace sultan kept many young boys who served the men in the army. In the Ottoman Times the army was at war away from home for months and sometimes years. It was not something logical to take women with them.SO they took those boys from the palace. They could fight soldiers during day time and at night they visited the soldiers` tents for their special service.” lambda

    Is this what you dream of, by the way why your master did not never marry?

  35. virgin mary says:

    GOD BLESS UNITED STATE OF AMERICA

  36. istambul says:

    These schools are not missionary or something don´t target them you fool Metin. They have nothing to do with religion, they are good schools, you cannot enter because you need to have a good grade to enter them.
    I didn´t see any Turk graduated one of these schools converted to Christianity liar.

  37. erol alkan says:

    Hey istambul. We are not here to discuss about ottoman empire. Our subject is fethullah gulen. Like everyother country we had our ups and downs in the past. You guys are expanding the subjects so much. Probably fethullah gulen followers are laughing at us now.

  38. erol alkan says:

    Fyi USA asked Israel and Turkey to negotiate so they started secret meetings between government minister in Europe. So can we start to talk about fethullah gulen and leave nonsense fights between us.

  39. Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu says:

    @ To ALL

    American Missioner Schools in Ottoman Empire; A Scientific Literature: With an english Abstract:

    http://www.kerimusta.net/viewtopic.php?f=176&t=3468#p7581

    “1897 yılında ise, Türkiyede toplam 624 adet misyoner okulu ve bu okullarda toplam 27.400 öğrenci bulunuyordu .

    Amerikalı Dr. Earle; Misyonerler ve din adamları dünyanın hiçbir ülkesinde, Türkiyedeki kadar emperyalizme hizmet etmemişlerdir , demektedir. Bu da Anadolunun ne kadar stratejik öneme sahip bir vatan olduğunu, Amerikalı misyonerler tarafından bile iki yüzyıl önce tespit edilmiş ve hedef seçilmiş bulunduğunu açıkça göstermektedir.”

    Abstract:

    Ottoman Empire ruled variety of societies which have different cultures, religions and ethnicities by the means of peace and indulgence. Especially, after the Tanzimat Firman(1839), not only the Muslims but Armenians, Greeks, Slavs, Bulgarians, Jews and some other people from different societies had administrative functions in the Ottoman Empire. This governance policy that responses concerns of different societies, has made easier to live together for different nations and has provided integrity in the country.
    Ottomans have experienced great changes in the 19th century. Changes like The rebellion in Egypt, rupture of janissaries, Greek rebellion, Tanzimat Firman, Islahat Firman, Crimean War, vilayet regulation, Armenian regulation, Ottoman – Russian War(1877-78) and emergence of constitutional monarchy were some important events in the 19th century.
    Up to beginning of 19th century and during the rule of Sultan Mahmut II (1808-1839), Armenians were enjoying peace, rights and freedom just like the other nations in the country. Mahmut II revealed that any Ottoman citizen can believe in his way and can obey his religions rules freely by saying Among my citizens, I want to see the Muslims in mosques, Christians in churches, and Jews in synagogues;. Armenians were preserving their belief without any difficulty, they were learning their own language, religious tenets and culture in their schools. In minorities schools, especially in Armenian schools, non-Moslem students were taking courses about their religion, their history, their culture, their literature, science and mathematics. In Armenian schools, the education was completely regulated by Armenian ecclesiastics.
    19th centurys Russian Empire was trying to provoke Armenians against Ottoman Empire and its efforts supported by English Kingdom and France. In this study, we will explain activities of American Board Missioners who have organized in Ottoman territory in 1811, their activities at Armenian schools, their influence on Armenian nationalism, their support to Armenians against Ottoman State during to 19th century. We will mention about Armenians in the 19th century under the Ottoman rule and influence of American missionary work on Armenian nationalism by the means of education.

    AND FİNALLY MY COMMENT to the Americathecomic

    If you need any assistance to translate this article in english kindly ask to your missionaryies do not use a soft ware.

    Just a hint for translation of the following sentence,

    “”1897 yılında ise, Türkiyede toplam 624 adet misyoner okulu ve bu okullarda toplam 27.400 öğrenci bulunuyordu .”

    1897 is the year,
    624 is the number of the missionary schools in Ottoman empire mostly American.
    27.400 is the number of the students.

    Dont miss it :))

    But I can’t translate the sentence,

    “Etme bulma dünyası ” :))

    Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu

  40. AmericatheBrave says:

    Torunu the Tornado
    Are you for real? What is the point of your post? What does any of your post have to do with the price of tea in Timbuktu?
    So Americans had missionary schools in the Armenian villages under the Ottoman Empire? AND? The Ottomans thought it was a conspiracy theory that the Armenians were getting way too educated or were siding with the Russian?
    I think you don’t understand the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, it was happening. The Ottomans used Armenians as an excuse as so many countries blame all their issues on 1-2 groups – currently America is blaming all of our social and economic woes on Mexicans and Mexico. Or blaming Russians for the Ottoman Empire’s destruction of the Armenians, Assyrians or other indigenous groups.
    Maybe it is because your grammar is so poor it is hard to understand where you go with this jibberish. How did our discussion of Fehtullah Gulen turn into the Ottoman Empire’s dark days…hm?
    If you need help in translating Tornado and cannot “translate the sentence” then maybe it isn’t important enough
    There is nothing special about your paragraph, although it leaves out the first people exterminated and rounded up after Armenians in the Ottoman Military were the Armenian Leaders and Scholars. Next you are going to blame the jews for something.?
    It doesn’t change the fact that Gulen is dangerous to America and worse for the people of Turkey.

  41. AmericatheBrave says:

    and your last section
    you are stating either “find the world” or “search the world”

    his ter!

  42. AmericatheBrave says:

    Metin;
    If you don’t like the truth the Dr. Williams speaks about don’t come on here to read it or try and divert the conversation away from your God Gulen….who has a what now. that is right a 5th grade education.
    This information is taken from many governmental sources. The only one that peddles’ “Junk” is the pig in poconos. No matter how much time you devote to Hizmet you will never know the riches that Gulen has made and he will never share it with you and the rest of the Cult.
    PKK is Gulen, he is Kurdish ..go to his hometown in Erzeum and you will find out. 80% Kurdish and the other 20% only say they are Turkish because they are afraid of being killed.

  43. AmericatheBrave says:

    “Ottomans have experienced great changes in the 19th century. Changes like The rebellion in Egypt, rupture of janissaries, Greek rebellion, Tanzimat Firman, Islahat Firman, Crimean War, vilayet regulation, Armenian regulation, Ottoman – Russian War(1877-78) and emergence of constitutional monarchy were some important events in the 19th century.”

    MORE EVIDENCE OF POWER, CONTROL AND THE SUPERIORITY OF OTTOMAN ATTITUDE AND SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT. THIS IS EXACTLY HOW GULEN BEHAVES. WHAT MAKES A OTTOMAN OR A TURK THINK THEY HAVE A SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT TO OTHER PEOPLE’S LIVES?
    Lets see how Gulen is behaving when he is de throned by the CIA

  44. istambul says:

    The Austrian, American, German etc. schools we have in Turkey are under the minister of education like all the other “legal” schools. Our education system is secular. Madrasahs are illegal in Turkey. F.G. guys show their true face here, they cannot stand modern education system. They are against it, and they become teachers in American schools. Unbelievable.
    The trigger point is that, dreaming about Ottoman times…. we have a democratic secular republic since 1923. Ottoman is long gone (thanks God). if they cannot handle this they can move all together to Sudi Arabia.

  45. istambul says:

    And we all know what is happening in Turkey if they target institutions or individuals, calling them missionaries. They target them, and they harm them.

    F.G has hundreds maybe thousands of “private” schools, dormitories in Turkey. They pop out like mushrooms especially in poor Kurdish areas. They force kids to wake up at 4.30 in the mornings, to pray and listen his speeches. What they do to these poor kids is nothing else than turning them into Robots. Their imams are choosing their careers, they decide what they will study next and then….. free visas to USA, A regular person (who is uni graduated) like me cannot get a US visa easily, actually it is a kind of torture to take visa. But for robots, it is not a deal to take even working permissions. Everybody knows it in Turkey. Wake up ….

  46. istambul says:

    Please read what happened in Malatya where F.G. is very powerful.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_publishing_firm_murders_in_Malatya,_Turkey

  47. istambul says:

    “According to reports, all five of the attackers, who were aged between 19 and 20, were students staying in a dormitory and were preparing to take university entrance exams. ”
    “Today in Turkey, there is a missionary hunt, just like the witch hunts of medieval times,” Ihsan Ozbek, a leader of the Alliance of Protestant Churches in Turkey, said.

    That dormitory is Ihlas (F.G. owned) dormitories. Why nobody is talking about these kind of things ? They slaughtered 3 Christians, the murderers were staying in F.G. dormitories, they are brainwashed.

    Dear Americans, you are welcoming these people as teachers to your schools.

    http://bianet.org/english/english/113827-malatya-murders-blamed-on-five-youths-instigators-have-disappeared

    http://www.frmtr.com/guncel/952403-malatya-cinayeti-ve-ihlas-vakfi-ogrenci-yurdu.html

  48. Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu says:

    Dear Istambul

    Here is your post

    ” You cannot blame all Americans for USA´s foreign policies, you shall not. I see you are a nationalist but not a racist, but sometimes you sound like one.”

    Yes I am a nationalists. But our ( Kemalist ) nationalism doesn’t depend on etnicity. ( Turkish, Kurdish, etc, who are willing to live together in Anatolia and Trakya in full independence and in full freedom )

    In my previous correspondances I have posted that nobody has a chance to sellect his father’s or his mother’s etnicity so how can I be an raicists 🙂

    I have posted that article about US missionary schools just to highlight that american imperialism had started his operation on my homeland one century ago to take control of the caucasian energy sources.

    At 1920s American and Anglosaxon imperialism invased my hometowns capital İstanbul. and started a war in Anatolia.

    At 1950s they had done their operation on my homeland with buying politicians and prime ministers.

    At 1971 and 1980 they had performed military coups on my homeland.

    As this web site published, USA established F. Gulen organisation. That organisation tries to change my homelands secular regime as well.

    At 1915 USA and American businessmen had played the biggest role in Armanian conflict. Writer and Kemalist Uğur Mumcu had proved this role from the offical and secret sourcess of the American congress that were published years after. They have provaked the war between neigbours, but nowadays they are blaming our people with a disgusting crime GENOCİDE.

    30 years ago USA establihed and trained PKK , more than 30.000 people died at the clashes from my people just for taking the control of the oil in N. Iraq

    Shortly , İmperialist American foreign policy plays the most important role in the deep pain that my country suffers from.

    And an ordinary american people who is walking on the street or who is driving his giant car just for buying a bublegum does not aware of his wellfairs source.

    We the 2nd worlds people pays the price for their high living standarts.
    And our comic firend, still thinks that how America effects the price of the tea in timbuktu. Poor idiot.

    İmperialists exploid all the Africa, mines and the human sourses. Nowadays the agricutural land as well. And all they have left in Africa, is poor people, people perished from starvation, ilnesses (AİDS, malnutrition) , civilwars, and colloborator rich kings.

    Turkey will not be a next african exploided country.

    I am angry to ordinary american people, (you may say the american working class, ) just because they dont aware of where this high living standars coming from, exploited nations paying the price ot that wellfair, and that american people does not increase their voice to their government for humanity. Arent they guilty for this silence ?

    @Americanthecomic.

    Sorry for the grammar, since I have not graduated from a US missionary school.

    2ndly, Anatolia is the land part of the Turkey starting from dardanel, and bosphorous. ( İstanbuls asian side, and Çanakkales Asian side to Kars and Hakkari. )
    Turkey is composed of Anatolia, and Trakya.

    Regards to İstambul,
    laughts to AmaricaThecomic, but regards to his patriotism and his voice aginst his government.

    We shall overcome one day against imperialism, how difficult it can be ?
    we did once at 1923, sure we will do it once again, :))

    Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu

  49. erol alkan says:

    Dear kuvvai milliyeci. I understand your thoughts but believe me you are wrong at some points. Corporate America and American main street are two different things. Corporate America doesn’t give a crap about own people. Instaed of openning their businesses in USA , they open in mexico,china,etc. Believe me many regular americans are aware what’s going on but these corporations are very powerful and they abuse the system. So wall street against to mainstreet.the corporations are the imperalist ones. They wanted to create a global market and they succeeded. I don’t have time and space here to explain that how the corporations acting against their won countries. I do have respect for you and americathebrave. He told you that USA is not perfect. As Turkish we do have faults too. So please let’s go back to the Fethullah Gulen subject and his SIZINTI in USA

  50. AmericatheBrave says:

    American corprations are indeed the Imperialists, we learned about Corporate Colonialism a key term used in the military. One of the biggest culprits in Monsanto.
    FRANCIS THICKE
    Corporate Colonialism
    Frances Moore Lappe (Hope’s Edge, 2002) makes the case that often politicians and corporations use terms that leave us suffering from “hypocognition.” Hypocognition results when a term is used to conjure up all-positive images to prevent us from understanding what is really going on. For example, hypocognition makes it hard for the public to believe there can be anything wrong with “globalism” or “free trade,” which sound like the apple pie and motherhood of the 21st century. It is easy for the press to portray those who protest against “free trade” as fringe lunatics.

    Ms. Lappe coined the term “primitive marketism” as a more appropriate name for what has become the accepted standard of world trade over the last 20 years — that the single principle of highest return to existing wealth is the sole driver of the world-wide system of production and exchange. That leaves cultural integrity, human rights, environmental protection, and even the ability of people to feed themselves as inconsequential to multinational corporations reaching around the world for opportunities for the highest return to existing wealth.

    As much as the term “primitive marketism” helps identify problems inherent to the way global trade is structured today, it takes a bit of bending of the mind and tongue to use it. It seems to me that a term that more immediately and clearly identifies where we are headed with world trade — a term which leaves no room for hypocognition — is “corporate colonialism.”

    My Webster’s dictionary defines colonialism as “The system or policy by which a nation seeks to extend or retain its authority over other peoples or territories.” Such political colonialism of one nation over another fell by the wayside in the 20th century. What we are seeing now is the rise of an economic colonialism of multinational corporations over nations worldwide.

    Corporate colonialism requires no armies, weapons, or even threats of violence to reap all the benefits of a colonial power. Whereas 19th-century empire builders sent navies half way around the world to secure their colonial power, 21st-century corporations secure their colonial power through financial contributions to political allies and promises that everyone will get rich if corporations are allowed to work their “magic” around the world.

    We are only starting to wake up to the reality that world “free” trade means multinational corporations exporting production and associated jobs to wherever labor can be secured most cheaply and environmental regulations are least restrictive. We are just beginning to realize that the great-sounding, theoretical idea that goods and services are best produced where they can be produced at the greatest competitive advantage translates into large-scale loss of employment and community disruption as much as it translates into greater profits for the corporate bottom line. It is sobering to realize that the corporate colonialists will exploit “developed” countries as readily as “undeveloped” countries — it takes more money and propaganda in a rich country, but the payoffs are greater.

    Nowhere are the disastrous consequences of corporate colonialism felt more than in global food trade. Forcing countries to open their markets to cheap, subsidized, industrially-produced food from abroad can eliminate markets for local subsistence farmers, driving them off the land and into the ranks of the hungry. Many American farmers have also been driven out of business by cheap, imported food produced by foreign, low-wage laborers. The winners are agribusiness monopolies that ship, trade, and process food. The losers are farmers who lose their livelihood, rural communities that lose their population, and countries that lose food security as they become dependent on imports.

    The further we ship our food, the more vulnerable and fuel-dependent our food system becomes. Brian Halweil of the Worldwatch Institute points out that a head of lettuce grown in the Salinas Valley of California and shipped to Washington, D.C. requires about 36 times as much fossil-fuel energy in transport as it provides in food energy when it arrives. Encouraging the shipping of food around the world under the guise of free trade and corporate profits only works when fuel is cheap and much of the cost of producing and shipping food can be externalized from the corporate bottom line. It makes little sense when laborers are paid a fair wage and the full environmental costs of production and transport are factored into the equation.

    In centuries past, the best remedy for ending colonial rule was revolution. My Webster’s defines revolution as “A complete and forcible overthrow and replacement of an established government or political system by the people governed.” Nothing less will be required to overturn the system of corporate governing we live under today, though the forces needed will be political and economic rather than military. The institutions and policies that need to be toppled include the World Trade Organization (WTO) and the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), no small task.

    The first requirement for fomenting a revolution is for enough people to recognize the shackles that bind them. The recent uprising by farmers from around the world at the WTO talks in Cancun may be the beginning of such a revolution. But, judging from the scant US corporate media coverage, which generally reported the collapse of trade talks as a failed opportunity for the world’s poor, we in this country still suffer from acute hypocognition.

  51. AmericatheBrave says:

    Toronu the Terrible!
    Listen you have an interesting perspective but I don’t think America, Kurds, Armenians or Jews are Turkey’s enemys. You must look beyond that. Turkey is Turkey own worst enemy.

    Stop trying to act like Turkey is not the guilty party with ethnic cleansing because they are. You attitude is very negative toward other ethnic and religious groups which live in Turkey and have lived there some 4,000 years way before the arrival of the Ottoman Seljur Turks of Central Asia.
    And Istanbul is quite arguable the best example of colonialism by Turkey. Invaded the town which was predominately Christian and took over the beautiful St. Hagia Church turning it into a Mosque, then changing the name of Constaniople to Istanbul. Cultural Genocide, and Genocide were committed throughout the country that we now know as the Republic of Turkey.
    Every European country remembers the invasions of the Ottoman and the ensuing destruction of their social systems. This is why Turkey will never be admitted into the European Union. I hope they do come to terms with their ugly dark history, as the truth will set them free.
    I compare Gulen to the Ottoman Empire, invading, destructive and powerful (lets not forget rich $$)
    Everyone remembers being a victim of the Ottoman’s agression and do not want a repeat of history. With Gulen, Erdogan and Gul–they will create another Empire. Except the Brotherhood of Moslem will fight amongst each other and do each other in.
    Trust me this all has been talked about. The Kurds will one day have their land back.

  52. erol alkan says:

    Dear americathebrave. Thanks for long explanation about corporate corruption. I totally agree with you. Unfo we started to think there is no color of money (we used to call arabic money as green money) so we tried to bring arabic investors and we gave chance to them to work with islamic groups. So islamic groups became richer in Turkey. Money is necessary but it is not everything. How much and how long Turkey can trust the arabs? Well. I’m sure it won’t be long. What Fethullah is doing it is imperialism. He took opportunity from poor college kids in Turkey now he is trying to take opportunity from the minorities in USA. I think kuvvai milliyeci is good thinker but he just doesn’t know americans well enough. He should involve in american community and see the reality. Although I do like his thinking at some point that we don’t see in Turkey so much these days.

  53. erol alkan says:

    I read some news it says fethullah gulen opennin bunch of schools in latin america too. I hope amigos/amigas will not fall to his trap

  54. AmericatheBrave says:

    Turkey struggles with many different things, progression, westernism, traditionalism, nationalism, islamism, culturalism, etc.,
    It is hard but don’t give up on Turkey, they have the power and good groups to turn the ship around before the Gulen movement takes over everything. Gulen controls some of the media but there are other media sources in Turkey

  55. serra turkmen says:

    we will not give up, there is only one Turkey and we are Turks. We don´t want to show our kids 20 years later , the pictures of our modern women and say that once upon a time in this country women were wearing mini skirts, like Iranians. We will not be another Iran, Afghanistan, Lebanon or Pakistan. Thanks for revealing the truth.

  56. Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu says:

    Dear AmericaThePathetic,

    Thank you for sharing the article about corporate colonisation.

    I found it so pathetic and so selfish.
    I am so sorry fort he American farmers who has more payoffs.
    What I understand from the article, and from the post that was written by Mr. Alkan

    “Corporate America and American main street are two different things. Corporate America doesn’t give a crap about own people. Instaed of openning their businesses in USA , they open in mexico,china,etc. Believe me many regular americans are aware what’s going on but these corporations are very powerful and they abuse the system. So wall street against to mainstreet.the corporations are the imperalist ones.” / Erol Alkan

    We must only blame the imperialsits corporates but not the regular Americans. Did I understand well ?

    Do you know what ? I have remembered. When I was traveling in Berlin, we have a guide in the museums. He always blamed the Nazis.

    “Nazis have done this, Nazis have done that, Nazis have made torture, etc, etc.”

    The description notes attached to the pictures or materials in the museum, all starts up with the world “NAZİS…….”

    Only the Nazis were guilty, but the German people, who DİN NOT STOOD UP AGAİNST THE NAZİ POLİTİCS or GOVERNMENT were as innocent as a baby.

    🙂

    Come on you do not have much to do as an American on the street as the writer says,

    “Nothing less will be required to overturn the system of corporate governing we live under today, though the forces needed will be POLİTİCAL and ECONOMİC rather than military.”

    Nobody wants a revolution from you , All you need is to stand up agaist to the İmperialsit politics that was launched from your corporate government. And since you are one of those man , I respect you and Mr Paul Williams.

    Secondly,

    I found that article so selfish. The writer are concerned ONLY about the American farmers, since there is nobody in the world other than Americans. Am I right ? 🙂

    “Corporate colonialism requires no armies, weapons, or even threats of violence to reap all the benefits of a colonial power. Whereas 19th-century empire builders sent navies half way around the world to secure their colonial power, 21st-century corporations secure their colonial power through financial contributions to POLİTİCAL ALLİES ( IN THE TARGET COUNTRYS ALİİES AS WELL ) and promises that everyone will get rich if corporations are allowed to work their “magic” around the world.
    We are only starting to wake up to the reality that world “free” trade means multinational corporations exporting production and associated jobs to wherever labor can be SECURED ( BY UNTİ HUMANİSTİC AND IMPERİALİST LAWS LAUNCED BY THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ALREADY FINANCED BY THE MULTİNATİONAL CORPORATES ) most cheaply and environmental regulations are least restrictive. ( OR SHAPED AS LEAST RESTİCTİVE BY NEWLY PUBLİSHED LAWS WİTH THE COLLOBARATOR GOVERNMENTS )

    By the way collobarator political party needs to vote power to take the control of the government. So establishing and financing cult, religious leaders such as F. Gulen, brings the vote power to the party, and legislative power to the suponsors.( Corporates, and CİA )

    What I am saying is that, the writer is only concerned about the American farmers ? What about to the farmers in my country ? They produce goods, and try to sell it in the market, because of the high taxes, he can not get an income, but he had to pay extra money for tax instead. ? Do you think it is funny ? Ok Translate the article published in the most sellign newspaper then .

    http://hurarsiv.hurriyet.com.tr/goster/haber.aspx?id=15199534&yazarid=249&tarih=2010-07-02

    Do you know that 1/3 of my countries area, is now open to rent for 99 years, to the multinational mine corporations due to a a newly published law by the collaborator government.

    We provide cheap labor ? do you think so ?

    Colloborator government regulates the working life, and the minimum salaries, by law as well.Becuse our economies are worsened by IMS policies as well.

    One of my people works for approximately 300 USD per month. And next month pays this money back to coca cola, MC Donalds, Viagra, or to Hollywood driven issues.
    A modern way of slavery huh ?

    Do you think that it is a new issue ? No it all starts one century ago with the President Wilson.

    The doors of the nations which are closed against him must be battered down.

    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Woodrow_Wilson#The_doors_of_the_nations_which_are_closed_against_him_must_be_battered_down.

    (source found) “Since trade ignores national boundaries and the manufacturer insists on having the world as a market, the flag of his nation must follow him, and the doors of the nations which are closed against him must be battered down. Concessions obtained by financiers must be safeguarded by ministers of state, even if the sovereignty of unwilling nations be outraged in the process. Colonies must be obtained or planted, in order that no useful corner of the world may be overlooked or left unused.” — Woodrow Wilson
    Nunamiut 20:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
    Date?
    Place?
    Columbia University (15 April 1907)Nunamiut 20:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
    Lecture delivered in 1907 (cited in William Appleman Williams, The Tragedy of American Diplomacy, p. 72).
    John Hay’s “Open Door Notes” – the proclamation of American Lebensraum in 1899, and 1900 signified the beginning of the American commercial invasion of the world, the future American imperialist expansionism through the policy of Open Door.(27) As I have already pointed out Woodrow Willson’s words “World safe for democracy” translated in reality “World safe for American Lebensraum”. Wilson saw overseas economic expansion as the frontier to replace the American continent that has been conquered. In a section of volume V of his “History of the American People”, which reads as a paraphrase of essays written by Brooks Adams, Wilson claimed that United States is destined to command “the economic fortunes of the world” through the “Open Door” expansionism.

    ” DİPLOMACY AND IF NEED BE; POWER; MUST MAKE AN OPEN WAY .” In a series of lectures at Columbia University in April of 1907, he was even more forthright:

    “Since trade ignores national boundaries and the manufacturer insists on having the world as a marked, the flag of his nation must follow him, and the doors of the nations which are closed must be battered down…Concessions obtained by financiers must be safeguarded by ministers of state, even if the sovereignty of unwilling nations be outraged in the process. Colonies must be obtained or planted, in order that no useful corner of the world may be overlooked or left unused”(28).

    You have to think and decide that if all the burdens of this corporate colonial imperialism is on the american farmers, or mostly on the shoulder of undeveloped countries people as well.

    One continent Africa, destroyed and exploited by imperialists, is enough for this planet.

    Did the writer say “hypocognition.”
    I called it selfishness.

    Regards only to the AmericaTheBrave not to the AmericaTheSelfish.

    Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu

  57. Therese says:

    I hope with all my heart this it how it will go for Turkey. I am always talking about my Turkish women friends who are as modern as any women in New York or London or Sydney. They wear not hijab, they go out dancing alone at night. I went with them and we did no harm. We enjoyed our selves. They dont want the extreme Islam. They dont believe in the one they already have. They are Turks first, and religion does not come into it at all. That is what we mean by the secular state. They appreciated their freedom and they don’t want to go back to the blood thirsty days of the Ottomans. Women in Turkey have too much to lose. None of them like their President. How could they? I was there with them on the day of the election that set them back. They were worried and not happy about it. They were also surprized that it happened at all. When they began to question if the votes had been rigged – I thought to myself that this was not possible – now I believe they were right. With people like Mr. Rose in their midst, anything is possible.

  58. Nathan Whisby says:

    Very interesting… Somebody removed the previous comments. I guess they found them “inappropriate”. I especially liked Metin’s comments and his refutation on the baseless accusations on Turkey.

  59. Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu says:

    @Nathan

    There is a small link just above the “Leave a Reply” line named “older coments”.

    you can find the older comments there.

    But very interestingly, they start to moderate my posts. I think that they have found my comments inaproprate.

    So accusation is free, but denfence is not. 🙂

    though we are in the same front against to the most dangerous İslamist cult leader.

    and they called themselves Brave 🙂

    Regards

    Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu

  60. Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu says:

    Dear AmericaThePathetic,

    Thank you for sharing the article about corporate colonisation.

    I found it so pathetic and so selfish.
    I am so sorry fort he American farmers who has more payoffs.
    What I understand from the article, and from the post that was written by Mr. Alkan

    “Corporate America and American main street are two different things. Corporate America doesn’t give a crap about own people. Instaed of openning their businesses in USA , they open in mexico,china,etc. Believe me many regular americans are aware what’s going on but these corporations are very powerful and they abuse the system. So wall street against to mainstreet.the corporations are the imperalist ones.” / Erol Alkan

    We must only blame the imperialsits corporates but not the regular Americans. Did I understand well ?

    Do you know what ? I have remembered. When I was traveling in Berlin, we have a guide in the museums. He always blamed the Nazis.

    “Nazis have done this, Nazis have done that, Nazis have made torture, etc, etc.”

    The description notes attached to the pictures or materials in the museum, all starts up with the world “NAZİS…….”

    Only the Nazis were guilty, but the German people, who DİN NOT STOOD UP AGAİNST THE NAZİ POLİTİCS or GOVERNMENT were as innocent as a baby.

    Come on you do not have much to do as an American on the street as the writer says,

    “Nothing less will be required to overturn the system of corporate governing we live under today, though the forces needed will be POLİTİCAL and ECONOMİC rather than military.”

    Nobody wants a revolution from you , All you need is to stand up agaist to the İmperialsit politics that was launched from your corporate government. And since you are one of those man , I respect you and Mr Paul Williams.

    Secondly,

    I found that article so selfish. The writer are concerned ONLY about the American farmers, since there is nobody in the world other than Americans. Am I right ?

    “Corporate colonialism requires no armies, weapons, or even threats of violence to reap all the benefits of a colonial power. Whereas 19th-century empire builders sent navies half way around the world to secure their colonial power, 21st-century corporations secure their colonial power through financial contributions to POLİTİCAL ALLİES ( IN THE TARGET COUNTRYS ALİİES AS WELL ) and promises that everyone will get rich if corporations are allowed to work their “magic” around the world.
    We are only starting to wake up to the reality that world “free” trade means multinational corporations exporting production and associated jobs to wherever labor can be SECURED ( BY UNTİ HUMANİSTİC AND IMPERİALİST LAWS LAUNCED BY THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ALREADY FINANCED BY THE MULTİNATİONAL CORPORATES ) most cheaply and environmental regulations are least restrictive. ( OR SHAPED AS LEAST RESTİCTİVE BY NEWLY PUBLİSHED LAWS WİTH THE COLLOBARATOR GOVERNMENTS )

    By the way collobarator political party needs to vote power to take the control of the government. So establishing and financing cult, religious leaders such as F. Gulen, brings the vote power to the party, and legislative power to the suponsors.( Corporates, and CİA )

    What I am saying is that, the writer is only concerned about the American farmers ? What about to the farmers in my country ? They produce goods, and try to sell it in the market, because of the high taxes, he can not get an income, but he had to pay extra money for tax instead. ? Do you think it is funny ? Ok Translate the article published in the most sellign newspaper then .

    http://hurarsiv.hurriyet.com.tr/goster/haber.aspx?id=15199534&yazarid=249&tarih=2010-07-02

    Do you know that 1/3 of my countries area, is now open to rent for 99 years, to the multinational mine corporations due to a a newly published law by the collaborator government.

    We provide cheap labor ? do you think so ?

    Colloborator government regulates the working life, and the minimum salaries, by law as well.Becuse our economies are worsened by IMS policies as well.

    One of my people works for approximately 300 USD per month. And next month pays this money back to coca cola, MC Donalds, Viagra, or to Hollywood driven issues.
    A modern way of slavery huh ?

    Do you think that it is a new issue ? No it all starts one century ago with the President Wilson.

    The doors of the nations which are closed against him must be battered down.

    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Woodrow_Wilson#The_doors_of_the_nations_which_are_closed_against_him_must_be_battered_down.

    (source found) “Since trade ignores national boundaries and the manufacturer insists on having the world as a market, the flag of his nation must follow him, and the doors of the nations which are closed against him must be battered down. Concessions obtained by financiers must be safeguarded by ministers of state, even if the sovereignty of unwilling nations be outraged in the process. Colonies must be obtained or planted, in order that no useful corner of the world may be overlooked or left unused.” — Woodrow Wilson
    Nunamiut 20:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
    Date?
    Place?
    Columbia University (15 April 1907)Nunamiut 20:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
    Lecture delivered in 1907 (cited in William Appleman Williams, The Tragedy of American Diplomacy, p. 72).
    John Hay’s “Open Door Notes” – the proclamation of American Lebensraum in 1899, and 1900 signified the beginning of the American commercial invasion of the world, the future American imperialist expansionism through the policy of Open Door.(27) As I have already pointed out Woodrow Willson’s words “World safe for democracy” translated in reality “World safe for American Lebensraum”. Wilson saw overseas economic expansion as the frontier to replace the American continent that has been conquered. In a section of volume V of his “History of the American People”, which reads as a paraphrase of essays written by Brooks Adams, Wilson claimed that United States is destined to command “the economic fortunes of the world” through the “Open Door” expansionism.

    ” DİPLOMACY AND IF NEED BE; POWER; MUST MAKE AN OPEN WAY .” In a series of lectures at Columbia University in April of 1907, he was even more forthright:

    “Since trade ignores national boundaries and the manufacturer insists on having the world as a marked, the flag of his nation must follow him, and the doors of the nations which are closed must be battered down…Concessions obtained by financiers must be safeguarded by ministers of state, even if the sovereignty of unwilling nations be outraged in the process. Colonies must be obtained or planted, in order that no useful corner of the world may be overlooked or left unused”(28).

    You have to think and decide that if all the burdens of this corporate colonial imperialism is on the american farmers, or mostly on the shoulder of undeveloped countries people as well.

    One continent Africa, destroyed and exploited by imperialists, is enough for this planet.

    Did the writer say “hypocognition.”
    I called it selfishness.

    Regards only to the AmericaTheBrave not to the AmericaTheSelfish.

    Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu

    ( PS Sorry for the second try since no moderation happened one post ago )

  61. AmericatheBrave says:

    Defense with substaniated proof would be interesting. So far what I have read pro-Gulen is written by his media own outlets like: Zaman,Fountain, his web sites, ERBU TV and the many people they have bought and paid for with free trips to Turkey and dinners at their numerous “interfaith gatherings” throughout the USA.
    Pay for a seat at the Universities and it goes a long way by golly!
    Gulen is worth $25 billion for a reason. I would trust Ex-FBI Turkish translator turned whistleblower any day over any one that is part of the Gulen Movement Hizmet. Facts are facts.

  62. AmericatheBrave says:

    PS, I am not the one hiding behind armed guards on about 40 acres in the remote section of Poconos mountains, PA.
    Brave? don’t think so!
    Maybe one day Gulen will get his wish and be accepted back to Turkey and push for an Islamic government controlling everything. Also back to the glory days of the Ottoman Empire and join in the Central Asian countries under one Gulen Empire.

  63. erol alkan says:

    It won’t happen. Not so many Turkish people likes Gulen these days. Since he started islamic mafia activities last 20 years so many people dislike him and his followers. If USA kicks him out. It would be so nice though.

  64. serra turkmen says:

    Therese, thanks and you are so right, in the last elections suspicious things happened, i don´t believe the results showed the reality. We don´t know the percentage of the fake votes and i am sure vote counting was not accurate. It is essential to have a group of international observes during the election process next time. I hope opposition parties do something about it.

  65. Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu says:

    First thing first,

    I am not defending Gülen, but my secular and Kemalist country.
    I have written too many times that why I am here.

    And we are now discussing to copy paste your articles and this discussion in our Kemalist web sites or not.

    I dont understand that why are you trying to shut my voice up with moderation, you are aginst Gülen for another reason. We are too.

    Dont you think that feeding Kemalists with information hepls to your policies ?

    oh sorry you dont have any brain cells left, for judment. All are occupied with radical believes and preconceived opinions aginst Turkey.

    Regards Anyway

    Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu

  66. erol alkan says:

    Somehow fethullah gulen english newspaper called” todays zaman” does not want to mention about Turkish imam in USA but prefers to write as Turkish smuggler in USA about upcoming movie called “5 minarets in Newyork”. Their article as below dated on june 30 th 2010. Yücel designing poster for Kırmızıgül’s ‘Five Minarets in New York’

    Well-known US-based Turkish graphic artist Emrah Yücel is designing the poster for “New York’ta Beş Minare” (Five Minarets in New York), singer-turned-filmmaker Mahsun Kırmızıgül’s third directorial effort.

    Written and directed by Kırmızıgül and produced by Boyut Film, “Five Minarets in New York” follows two police officers from the southeastern Turkish province of Diyarbakır, sent to New York to bring back a Turkish smuggler who was arrested in the United States and who will be delivered to Turkish authorities by the FBI.

  67. AmericatheBrave says:

    Torunu – Merhaba!
    I think you are having some translation issues, I was unaware of anyone moderating your speech. Although the site is owned by Dr. Williams, it wouldn’t be up to any of us readers to do so.
    Secondly, You mistakenly got sarcastic by calling posters “comics” and “comedian” with no reasoning why. Yalan Yalan!
    Lastly, if you would have bothered to read my posts, you would have understood I am pro turkey and want the best for the people of Turkey. It is the government that I am opposed to – them and their connections to puppetmaster Gulen who in turn is the puppet of the USA.
    Turkey needs to cut all the strings and lead their country the best way, which by majority is democratic secular or Kemalist. You do not want your country to become another Islamic state (even though unofficially it is) This would mean going back to the dark ages.
    As far as Gulen goes, Americans don’t like anyone that comes to the USA – hides in a fortress – earns $25 billion (largely off the back of American Tax payers) Gulen is Tool and Yalan Yalan! He is bad for my country and for my friends in Turkey.

  68. erol alkan says:

    Dear AmericatheBrave. The USA should do something about him too. Many secular turkish people getting at angry to USA because of fethullah gulen since he is been allowed to stay and continue activities here. You know. Recently I was searching about if fethullah gulen went to saudi arabia(the country has most islamic rules) and found out he could be locked up or hanged because saudi s don’t tolerate cults. It seems to me many sneaky people taking advantage of freedom in the USA. I wish the USA was like the leave it to beaver times. The things are very complicated now with freedom abusers and powerful lobbyists.

  69. Ali Huseyin says:

    Nobody knows nothing. I have been smiling at those comments. It is very funny that Gulen is presented here like a terrorist even though he preached nothing but tolerance, love and peace to those around him. He himself says when he asked for a needle to sew or mend his clothe, they couldn’t find even a needle to fix it. If so far any proof related to guns or any terrorist activities were to be found, Gulen’s enemies would have definitely told everyone about it and sued him.

    That is why people are just keeping themselves busy with conspiracy theories and urban legends.

    As for secular Turks, Gulen even did not release any comment about them. A number of former seculars among whom we can count Cem Karaca (famous leftist singer) was embraced by Gulen. Apart from a marginal group in Turkey, 90 % of the public opinion is positive about Gulen. Do your own research and find by yourself.

  70. erol alkan says:

    Ali huseyin

    Can you explain to me these below

    Did fethullah gulen qualified for green card only himself or got some references from CIA for his green card application?
    Did fethullah gulen asked to his followers to sneak in to the military,police and governmental organizations?
    What’s going on with charter school mess? You broughtbad repuatition to the Turkey. Your charter school mess all over the newspapers in Texas,Utah and Arizona. Don’t you being shame of using american tax payers money and bringing bad reputation for Turkey
    Why your friends need lie about their connections with fethullah gulen? If you go to your charter schools,organizations,etc. There is always same answer “we are not connected to fethullah gulen but some of us knows him”. Why can’t you be a honest and tell people who you are. Why you need to be a sneaky?

  71. istambul says:

    i learned from FG worshiper that being secular, believing in democracy and being an individual is called “marginal”. So in this case majority of the Turks are “marginals”. We have at least 15 million of Turks who are not even Sunni Muslims. They are called marginal too in this case.
    Money is unfortunately buying even the Western professors, gay fashion designers, previous leftist singers and many more. I am sure a cult leader who controls 25 billion dollars has enough to hire.
    And Erol we are ashamed of him since 1960´s, the reason why he had to escape from Turkey (as mentioned hundred times before) proves it.

  72. AmericatheBrave says:

    Istambul, Erol and Ali
    You got to hand it to Gulen, he has done well for a chap from SE Kurdish Turkey – and only a 5th grade education.

  73. Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu says:

    So called Brave, Hi,

    I have faced 2 times with the note, that I am copy pasting,
    “Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu says:
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    July 5, 2010 at 4:08 am,”

    I dont know why ? And I am still not sure about if my answer about the corporate colonisation is publised or not in the site. I dont think that it is due to translation issue.

    Any way,

    Secondly you are saying that ” you would have understood I am pro turkey and want the best for the people of Turkey. It is the government that I am opposed to – them and their connections ”

    Thank you for your best wishes, but if you are agaist the government ( Turkish and US ) so please blame only their politics not the Turkish people. I have red too many times that Turks have done this, Turks are guilty for this or that in your posts.
    You are assaulting the Turkish people without being aware of the provakative role of the US governments.
    So your baseless comments and assults are only comic for us. Thats why ı use that sarcastics words. But if you bother that, I would not use anymore.

    Here is your post:
    “Stop trying to act like Turkey is not the guilty party with ethnic cleansing because they are. You attitude is very negative toward other ethnic and religious groups which live in Turkey and have lived there some 4,000 years ……”
    and
    “Defense with substaniated proof would be interesting. ” AmericatheBrave

    HERE YOU GO,

    Do you know the Armanian Newsman (Rahmetli ) Mr. Hrant Dink. ( R.İ.P ) .
    Do you know his words about US at the Malatya Chamber of Commerce meeting which was recorded by TV cameras ?
    Do you know this speach is forbiden to publish in turkey buy a court decision ?

    a) First the Turkish one, b) secondly the tranlation (ı may need an help), c)thirdly the links of the newspaper, and d) finally the link of the video of his speach.

    a) First the Turkish one,

    Agos Gazetesi Genel Yayın Yönetmeni Hrant Dink, geçmişte Ermenilerin düştüğü Batı`nın oyununa şimdi Kürtlerin düştüğünü söyledi.

    Ermenilerin geçmişte İngiliz, Alman, Fransız ve Ruslara güvenmekle hata yaptığını söyleyen Dink, Amerika`nın Kuzey Irak`ta Kürt devleti kurma vaadine Kürtlerin inanmamasını istedi. Malatyalı İşadamları Derneği(MİAD), 3. Fikir Platformu toplantısı çerçevesinde Malatyalı ünlülerle Malatya üzerine bir söyleşi düzenledi. Toplantıya Hrant Dink`in yanı sıra AK Parti Malatya Milletvekili Ali Osman Başkurt, TMSF Başkanı Ahmet Ertürk, eski Milli Eğitim Bakanı Metin Emiroğlu, Malatyalı İstanbul Üniversitesi Rektörü Prof. Dr. Mesut Parlak, sanatçı Kenan Işık ve Star Gazetesi yazarı Cumali Ünaldı katıldı. Malatyalı ünlü simalar sunumlarından sonra hemşehrilerinin sorularını cevapladı. Söyleşide kendisinin de Malatyalı olduğunun altını çizen Dink,

    Ermenilerin Osmanlı`dan kurtulmak için oyuna geldiğini savundu. Dink, `İngiliz, Fransız, Rus ve Almanlar geçmişte bu topraklarda oynadıkları oyunları bugün de tekrarlıyor. Geçmişte Ermeni halkı, onlara güvendi. Kendilerini Osmanlı`nın zulmünden kurtaracak zannetti. Ama yanıldılar; çünkü onlar kendi işlerini, hesaplarını yapıp gittiler.

    Bu topraklarda da kardeşi kardeşe kan içerisinde bıraktılar.`

    diye konuştu.

    Bugün Kürtlerin aynı oyuna alet olduğunu iddia eden Agos Genel Yayın Yönetmeni, Amerika`nın Kürtleri Kuzey Irak`ta bir Kürt devleti kurmak bahanesiyle kullandığını savundu. `Amerika geldi, Kuzey Irak`ta bir Kürt devleti oluşturmak üzere.` diyen Ermeni asıllı gazeteci, geçmişteki oyunun aynen bugün de oynandığını hatırlattı.

    Dink, `Siyasi hesaplar, parti farklılıkları bir kenara itilmeli. Amerika bu. Gelir kendi işine bakar, işi bittiğinde de çeker gider. Sonra da buradaki insanlar kendi aralarında didişir.` diye konuştu.

    7 yaşına kadar Malatya`da kaldığını, kendisini gerçek anlamda Malatyalı hissettiğini ifade eden Hrant Dink, Malatya`da akrabalarının olduğunu dile getirdi. Rektör Prof. Dr. Mesut Parlak ise konuşmasında bilim ile siyasetin birbirinden mutlaka ayrılması gerektiğine temas etti. Parlak, `Ben siyasetçi değilim. Bilim adamının siyasetle işi olmaz. Öğretim üyelerime de `Siyasetten kesinlikle uzak durun` diyorum.` şeklinde konuştu. Türklerin tarih boyunca Ermenilerle problem yaşamadığını söyleyen Parlak, medyayı duyarsızlıkla suçladı.

    b) secondly the translation (ı may need an help),

    The Kurs are falling the same trap like the Armanians falled in history by trusting US.
    Armanians have trusted, England, Russia, and US for providing independance.
    This is America, he came, only take care of his business, and when he is done, he leaves with leaving a fight between brothers with brothers.

    c)thirdly the links of the newspaper,

    http://www.tumgazeteler.com/?a=1451829

    d) finally ı will provide the link of the video of his speach on my next post.

    HABER 3 15 NİSAN 2006 DA BU KONUŞMAYI YAPAN HIRANT DİNK, 9 ay sonra 19 OCAK 2007 DE BİR SUİKAST SONUCU KATLEDİLMİŞTİR.

    9 months later after this speach and after some speaches aginst EU, he was killed in an assasion.

    Regards to brotherhood between the Armenians and Turks.

    Blame the imperialists governments.

    Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu

  74. AmericatheBrave says:

    Wow, Tornado. Get your thoughts and sentences structured ok.
    I am familiar with Hrant Dink and Article 301, I am also familar with the trials of Pamuk, Akcam and author Cetin and 301 being thrown at them for they dare to say the truth.

    I would not believe a word in the Turkish newspapers about Dink unless it is from his own Argos paper. His murder was a trajedy for all of Turkey and for the young nationalists that shot this man in the head and later they were praised by some of the Turkish police is suspect.

    Dink was pro Turkey and Turkish. 100,000 Turkish people marched the streets in protest of his death chanting “We are all Dink” he was friend to all, never a divider. Even with the Kurds.

    Kurds will not fall victim to anything. One day Turkey’s government will learn to respect the very people that built the country instead of shunning them.

    Turkey needs to move forward and earn some respect in the world instead of being treated with distrust and dislike- living in the shadows of their past. Get rid of Erdogan and all the AK goverment that is the puppets of Gulen.

    The USA will eventually take out Gulen, and he will have to go back and face the people of Turkey.

  75. istambul says:

    i just want to say lastly (i occupied enough space here thanks to Dr. Williams again), i have Armenian, Kurdish, Jewish, agnostic Turkish friends, unfortunately most of them are moving because of the social pressures, Turkey transforms into a sharia country everyday more…

    All my friends from different ethnics, we went to school together, i go to Sunday mass sometimes with them, i have christian catholic relatives, we celebrate Easter, i like churches, i like christian traditions. I love Aramaic Turks, they are the most nicest people in the world. We don´t tolerate anything because i find it very enriching to have different religions, traditions in my country.We don´t need to tolerate each other because there is nothing to tolerate, it is natural that people have different cultures, i find “toleration” the word itself insulting.

    But the way Islam got today is disturbing me even more then an American, because sharia is much more closer to us than you.
    I know i am not representing the whole Turkish mentality here, i am one of the lucky ones who had a modern education, has open minded family but, Sharia, and this transnational network of jihad is treating me as well as my Armenian, Aramaic, secular Kurdish friends.

    The aim is a brother war in Turkey it is obvious, we can end up like Yugoslavia, this is my biggest fear.

    Who to blame? first ourselves, because of letting this 5th grade ignorant becoming a mafiosi, because of giving permission to our corrupted politicians. Letting a criminal having jihad camps in Turkey since 1975, being not sensitive enough to the poor kids fallen into his traps. There are hundreds of reports about this guy in Turkish, books written, insiders, previous followers talk. Enough source for a Turk to wake up. But unfortunately my society took its share from degeneration and ignorance too. Conservative pro Ottoman minds and opportunist so called “intellectuals” brought this guy here.

  76. Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu says:

    Dear AmericaTheBrave,

    here is your post

    “I would not believe a word in the Turkish newspapers about Dink UNLES IT IS FROM HİS OWN ARGOS PAPER.”

    WHAT ABOUT WATCHING HİMSELF ON THE VIDEO WHEN HE WAS SAYING THESE WORDS AT THE MEETİNG 🙂
    Here you are dear 🙂

    Uh my poor english, how can I trasntlate “Al gözüm seyreyle”

    I am sharing a document composed of 6 cds.
    Rahmetli Hırant Dinks words should be in the first 2 CDs.

    At night I will find the minutes and the seconds and once again share the definite location.

    Büyük Yalan / Soykırım Yalanı CD 1 : VATANIMIZI SAVUNDUK
    http://rapidshare.com/files/26502265…ala1.part1.rar
    http://rapidshare.com/files/26502315…ala1.part2.rar
    http://rapidshare.com/files/26502192…ala1.part3.rar
    http://rapidshare.com/files/26502220…ala1.part4.rar
    http://rapidshare.com/files/26502222…ala1.part5.rar
    Özel rar pass:Şifre : azeri

    Büyük Yalan / Soykırım Yalanı CD 2 : GEREKLİ KARAR
    http://rapidshare.com/files/26520220…ala2.part1.rar
    http://rapidshare.com/files/26520329…ala2.part2.rar
    http://rapidshare.com/files/26513908…ala2.part3.rar
    http://rapidshare.com/files/26521227…ala2.part4.rar
    Özel rar pass:Şifre : azeri

    Büyük Yalan / Soykırım Yalanı CD 3 : TANIKLAR ANLATIYOR
    http://rapidshare.com/files/26513549…ala3.part1.rar
    http://rapidshare.com/files/26513801…ala3.part2.rar
    http://rapidshare.com/files/26513956…ala3.part3.rar
    http://rapidshare.com/files/26520057…ala3.part4.rar
    http://rapidshare.com/files/26520074…ala3.part5.rar
    Özel rar pass:Şifre : azeri

    Büyük Yalan / Soykırım Yalanı CD 4 : MÜDAHALE HAZIRLIĞI
    http://rapidshare.com/files/26520921…ala4.part1.rar
    http://rapidshare.com/files/26521248…ala4.part2.rar
    http://rapidshare.com/files/26521270…ala4.part3.rar
    http://rapidshare.com/files/26521255…ala4.part4.rar
    Özel rar pass:Şifre : azeri

    Büyük Yalan / Soykırım Yalanı CD 5 : ÇIKARILACAK DERS
    http://rapidshare.com/files/26521622…ala5.part1.rar
    http://rapidshare.com/files/26522160…ala5.part2.rar
    http://rapidshare.com/files/26521511…ala5.part3.rar
    Özel rar pass:Şifre : azeri

    Büyük Yalan / Soykırım Yalanı CD 6 : BAYRAK GÖSTERELİM
    http://rapidshare.com/files/26521343…ala6.part1.rar
    http://rapidshare.com/files/26522079…ala6.part2.rar
    http://rapidshare.com/files/26521357…ala6.part3.rar
    http://rapidshare.com/files/26522127…ala6.part4.rar

    Özel rar pass şifre : azeri
    RAR pass şifresi: http://www.sadecegir.com

    here is your post
    “His murder was a trajedy for all of Turkey and for the young nationalists that shot this man in the head and later they were praised by some of the Turkish police is suspect.”

    Yes we all know that emperialist gladio uses contract terorist organisations.

    9 months after his speach he was murdered.

    One more thing,

    One of my best firend who is Armanian origin is leaving in NY while his father used to live in Istanbul. When we visited US I stay some days at his home in NY.

    One day he phoned me from NY and said “Doc, may father is very sick due to the terminal phase of Alzheimer, I took a plane and coming to Istanbul.

    When I heard this I went to his fathers home with one of my nationalist firend who is visiting me in Istanbul. Uncle Agop was in his bed in unconsciousness.I have been visited that house for years but it was the very first time to be in his bed room.

    Do you know what,

    There were only two pictures hanging on the head side of the bed.
    one of which is ” The jesus at the last supper ” and the other one is the portrait of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk.

    Suprise suprise 🙂

    Uncle Agop passed away before his son arrives but we were near by.

    Then we participate the funeral at the Armanian church.

    As a last word, Mr Hrant Dink was so right.

    Imperialist come here with so many promises, only for their own business, when they are done, they are gone, with leaving a fight between brothers who used to live together for centruies.

    Hope these links are helpfull for opening your eyes

    Regards

    Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu

  77. erol alkan says:

    Well.. As fethullah gulen follower said before I’m sure gulen followers are laughing at us now. Since we started to talk about timbutku meat prices(armenian issue in Turkey and internal struggles in USA). Of course those subjects need to be discussed but I believe our main subject is fethullah gulen here. I’m trying to bring a fact every message and please do so we can have mutual beneficiary discussion here.

  78. Therese says:

    Torunu!

    Hey mate, you need to take a deep breath from your verbal diahorea. Verbal and information overload is not a good look on a site like this.

    Which Jami do you preach from or who preaches all this “stuff” to you? lesser You are certainly revved up to an extent that I could not bother reading any further than the first explosion.

    You can fool some of the people some of the time but you cant fool all of the people all of the time. A great American said this when America was in its Salad days. Sadly, gone.

  79. AmericatheBrave says:

    Therese, let the man run off with this mouth.

    Merhaba, wow Tornado likes to write a discertion Al gözüm seyreyle” = Get out of my life (or virtues)
    No need to open my eyes about anything, Dink was a great man as is writer Pamuk, Akcam and Cetin. As far as Agop or would it be Hagop= Jacob your Armenian friend that is great he had a photo of Attaturk by his bed, but I didn’t notice too much of that when I lived in Turkey. But in public places yes, not in bedrooms. I still own an Armenian lace cross object of art, that an old Armenian lady made for me.
    No imperialist ever caused the ethnic cleansing programs of Turkey’s minorities those were state ordered by the Ottoman Empire and the documentation is well preseved from Pasha Taalat who later was tried and convicted for his crimes. These killings started to intensify in the 1880s under Sultan “Bloody” Hamid. Turkey needs to take responsibilty for Turkey and stop blaming others for their bloody past. It is the right thing to do. As America has taken responsiblity for the American Indian massacres.
    Not sure if they were brothers living together for centuries, the minorities in particular the Christian Maronites, Armenians, Assyrians lived under Ottoman rule. They were taxed higher, and had no say in a court of law against a Moslem. Same with the Yedzegis, B’hai’s and Kurds. treated very poorly under the Ottoman Empire, which had a turkification agenda. Many Assyrians and Armenians were forceable converted to Islam. The Hamesdin (sp?) Armenians, are in E. Turkey, they speak Armenian but pray to Allah.
    As I have said I enjoyed the people of Turkey, the Kurds are great dancers and makde a good yogurt soup. As I have stated before, I love the people- I just don’t care for the government.

  80. AmericatheBrave says:

    Merhaba Erol;
    I agree the subject is that con artist Gulen. Although I am amused to hear Tornado’s stories about how a Christian would put Attaturk’s picture next to Jesus Christ. That is blasphemy and wouldn’t happen in any Chrisitian home here or in Turkey.

    So what is the bets on what is going to happen with Gulen? My bet is the American government will steal his billions and ship him back to Turkey or they will just wait till he dies, confiscate his home, businesses.

    If the American Government can use Gulen before he dies they will, to make more pro-Israel speeches and overthrow Erdogan and Gul et al.

  81. AmericatheBrave says:

    Forgot the last play by turkish military would be to send an assassin for Gulen or secret police to bring him back to Turkey for his charges. They have already inflitrated his fortress, he has an enemy among him just waiting. patiently waiting.

  82. Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu says:

    @AmericaTheBrave,

    A better link and the definite location of the video ,
    2nd part. 14:32—-to — 15:30

    14. minute 32 seconds, —- 15. minute 30 seconds.

    Rahmetli Dink “HIMSELF” Speaks on the video.

    Publishing this information is forbiden by a court decision in Turkey. Guess Why ?

    http://www.hakimiyetimilliye.org/index.php/hm_tv/entertainment_movies/sozde-ermeni-soykirimi/397-buyuk-yalan-soykirim-belgeseli-1-3-bolumler.html

    Secondly: Al gözüm seyreyle” is not Get out of my life (or virtues) its meaning is “Let my eyes watch” . your Turkish understanding is worser than my English understanding.

    Thirdly, your post ” Although I am amused to hear Tornado’s stories about how a Christian would put Attaturk’s picture next to Jesus Christ. That is blasphemy and wouldn’t happen in any Chrisitian home here or in Turkey.”

    You see it as a blasphemy because of your prejudiced opinion and radical and strong religious believes. But we Anatolians, ( Turks, Kurds, Armanians, Alevies and the other….) has an great tolerance. You cant understand that.

    If we come together one day in NY or in Istanbul I will prove it by introducing his son with you.

    We Anatolians have a deep love to Mustafa Kemal Atatürk who makes this country free and independent.

    It is not blaphemy but “Turkish miracle.”

    lastly, ı am totaly agree with you on the ” I love the people- I just don’t care for the government.”

    Regards

    Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu

  83. Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu says:

    Dear Erol Alkan,

    here is your post
    “but I believe our main subject is fethullah gulen here. I’m trying to bring a fact every message and please do so we can have mutual beneficiary discussion here.”

    I dont believe that our main subject is gülen, but corporate colonisation. ( IMPERIALİSM ) Gülen is just a colloborator like the previous ones. (Tashnaks, Apo, or Arab sheikhs,)

    When USA government done with them, they plug them off.
    Do you think that US government will keep his promises to gülen? Surely no.
    Like in the history.

    All they want to take the control of the mines , oil, in the South asian countries by graduating colloborator local leaders in gülens schools.

    You may ask me how sure I am that imperialists wont keep their words given to Gülen.

    History , is always repeat itself.

    Here is the own confession of the Lawrence the Arabia who provoked Arabs against Turks and against their “caliphate”!!! in the history.

    “Seven Pillars of Wisdom” by “T. E. Lawrence”, 1926 Subscribers’ Edition

    “It is intended to rationalize the campaign, that everyone may see how natural the success was and how inevitable, how little dependent on direction or brain, how much less on the outside assistance of the few British. It was an Arab war waged and led by Arabs for an Arab aim in Arabia…

    but when we won, it was charged against me that the British petrol royalties in Mesopotamia were become dubious, and French Colonial policy ruined in the Levant.

    I am afraid that I hope so. We pay for these things too much in honour and in innocent lives. I went up the Tigris with one hundred Devon Territorials, young, clean, delightful fellows, full of the power of happiness and of making women and children glad. By them one saw vividly how great it was to be their kin, and English. And we were casting them by thousands into the fire to the worst of deaths, not to win the war but that the CORN AND RİCE AND OİL OF Mesopotamia MİGHT BE OURS.
    The only need was to defeat our enemies (Turkey among them), and this was at last done in the wisdom of Allenby with less than four hundred killed, by turning to our uses the hands of the oppressed in Turkey. I am proudest of my thirty fights in that I did not have any of our own blood shed. All our subject provinces to me were not worth one dead Englishman.

    For my work on the Arab front I had determined to accept nothing. The Cabinet raised the Arabs to fight for us by DEFİNİTE PROMİSES of SELF-GOVENMENT afterwards. Arabs believe in persons, not in institutions. They saw in me a free agent of the British Government, and demanded from me an endorsement of its written promises. So I had to join the conspiracy, and, for what my word was worth, assured the men of their reward. In our two years’ partnership under fire they grew accustomed to believing me and to think my Government, like myself, sincere. In this hope they performed some fine things, but, of course, instead of being proud of what we did together, I was bitterly ashamed.

    It was evident from the beginning that if we won the war THESE PROMİSES WOULD BE A DEAD PAPER, and had I been an honest adviser of the Arabs I would have advised them to go home and not risk their lives fighting for such stuff: but I salved myself with the hope that, by leading these Arabs madly in the final victory I would establish them, with arms in their hands, in a position so assured (if not dominant) that expediency would counsel to the Great Powers a fair settlement of their claims. In other words, I presumed (seeing no other leader with the will and power) that I would survive the campaigns, and be able to defeat not merely the Turks on the battlefield, but my own country and its allies in the council-chamber. It was an immodest presumption: it is not yet: clear if I succeeded: but it is clear that I had no shadow of leave to engage the Arabs, unknowing, in such hazard. I risked the fraud, on my conviction that Arab help was necessary to our cheap and speedy victory in the East, and that better we win and break our word than lose.

    The dismissal of Sir Henry McMahon confirmed my belief in our essential insincerity: but I could not so explain myself to General Wingate while the war lasted, since I was nominally under his orders, and he did not seem sensible of how false his own standing was. The only thing remaining was to refuse rewards for being a successful trickster and, to prevent this unpleasantness arising, I began in my reports to conceal the true stories of things, and to persuade the few Arabs who knew to an equal reticence. In this book also, for the, last time, I mean to be my own judge of what to say.

    Dear Erol,
    Pay attention to why and how ? ( The lines with Capital letters)
    Are the tactics similar with Armenian issue, or Kurds issue today, or Gülen İssue nowadays ?

    Do you stil think that our main issue is Gulen or he is just a puppet of the ımparialism who still thinks that his masters will keep their promises in future ?

    Regards,

    Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu
    Who thinks that fighting with puppets is useless, we should identify the puppets’ masters first

  84. erol alkan says:

    Dear Kuvvai Milliyeci. First of all you are always saying” we anatolians ” but Turkey is not only Anatolia , there is istanbul and there is thracia too.
    Secondly you were talking about puppet and puppetmaster. You should know that 99.9 percent americans don’t know and never heard of fethullah gulen. Few american decision makers made wrong decision and let him stay and continue his activities here. Those few decisionmakers would never listen us since we are only bloggers here. And we don’t have official status. It is our job to enlighten american public about fethullah gulen. I believe in grassroots. As I said since we know fethullah gulen and his activities we should warn our american friends. That’s our job. But if you get elected next year elections in Turkey then go to washington dc with your official status and complain to the US government about fethullah gulen.

  85. AmericatheBrave says:

    Tornado to unwisely suggest that a Christian would put a photo of Attaturk near their beloved Jesus Christ is well how does it go?…”laugh out loud funny”
    You are suggesting that Christians would view Attaturk on the same level as Jesus Christ. Just as silly a notion would be seeing Mohammed likeness next to Attaturk. It aint going to happen.
    Shame on you for even suggesting a silly notion.

  86. AmericatheBrave says:

    Anatolias are now getting over rode by Hezebollah.
    Anatolians are not that united, never suggest that to a Kurd. But they may want to bring their Baba Gulen back to rule over them.

  87. istambul says:

    Americathebrave

    you are wrong in some cases, Ataturk´s party leader at the moment is a Kurdish Alevi, who is not sunni muslim and me and KuvaiMilliye will for sure vote for him in the next elections.
    I agree with Erol by the way.

  88. istambul says:

    there is no distinct separations in Turkey between Kurds and Turks as you think in Turkey, especially in big cities, as i told, we mingle, we go to schools together etc.
    KuvaiMilliyeTorunu i think you are narrow minded. You blame others but please, have a little bit vision, sitting in Izmir and not minding the others … don´t work. Turkey is not just Izmir unfortunately (i wish it was)

  89. Paul says:

    Hizbullah in Anatolia??

    Is Gulen involved?

  90. istambul says:

    Kurdish Hizbullah is used against PKK by Turkish …. guess what…Their aim was a Kurdish islamic state, they must be still in action and growing. They assasinated a lot of Turkish Kurdish intellestuals. Fethullah is active in east too, so it is not hard to guess …the power struggle or a partnership?

  91. AmericatheBrave says:

    Paul;
    this is an English News Report in Turkey, it is excellent. The Hizbullah part starts at 4:07 and runs to about 5:10. But it is good, very good information on the people of Turkey and how they struggle.

  92. AmericatheBrave says:

    Although it is older, here is a piece from The Washington Institute of Near East Studies. http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/templateC05.php?CID=1317
    (More on Hezbollah or Hizbullah in Turkey)

  93. Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu says:

    Dear Mr. Alkan,

    “Dear Kuvvai Milliyeci. First of all you are always saying” we anatolians ” but Turkey is not only Anatolia , there is istanbul and there is thracia too.” / Mr. Alkan

    Yes you are right and I mentioned this issue on my previous post since our brave friend was thinking Anatolia is only the eastern part of our country.

    “You should know that 99.9 percent americans don’t know and never heard of fethullah gulen. It is our job to enlighten american public” Mr. Alkan.

    Come on my dear, 99,9 percent of the Americans cant calculate the cash that he would give back without using a calculator or the cash register. Please try at shopping when your bill is 21, 50 USD. Give them 50 USD + 1,5 USD in coins, and then watch the comedy.

    What is the percentage of American citizen haven’t been in abroad ?
    Do you think that they can locate the place of the İstanbul on the world map. They are all TV driven community living in wellfair.
    Lets establish a TV chanell in US.

    “But if you get elected next year elections in Turkey then go to washington dc with your official status and complain to the US government about fethullah gulen.” Mr Alkan

    I wish the first part but I can not afford an election campaign with a docs salary.

    Second part, visiting the US government part is ok but ıt is not to hard to guess what they will think.

    You can easily read their minds with knowing these folloving facts Mr. Alkan.

    http://hurarsiv.hurriyet.com.tr/goster/haber.aspx?id=14739020&yazarid=218&tarih=2010-05-16

    A short translation of the article.

    Kindly answer these questions.

    Which country has how many oil reserves ?
    • Saudi arabia % 21
    • İran 11.2
    • Irak 9.3
    • Kuwait 8.2
    • United Arab Emirates 7.9
    • Venezuela 7.0
    • Russia 6.4

    Which country consumpt how many % oil in a year?
    • USA % 23.9
    • China 9.3
    • Japan 5.8
    • India 3.3
    • Russia 3.2
    • Germany 2.8
    • S.Korea 2.7
    • France 2.3

    Two more questions.

    Which country has how many Gass reserves ?
    • Russia % 25.2
    • İran 15.7
    • Quatar 14.4
    • Saudi Arabia 4.0
    • United Arab Emirates 3.4
    • USA 3.3
    • Nijeria 3.0…

    What about the Gass consumptions of the countries ?
    • USA % 22.6
    • Russia 15.0
    • İran 3.8
    • Canada 3.2
    • Japan 3.1
    • Germany 2.8
    • Italy 2.7
    • China 2.3…

    Those, who can not analiyse the production and the consumption of the energy, can not realize the local or global politics nowadays.

    Energy is life for a country, is an economic growth for a country, and is independence for a country.

    Since Ottomans dont aware of this, they lost the energy areas to England from their hand.

    So my dear Friend Mr Alkan, think that I am visiting US government for complaining about Gulen.
    Can you read the minds of the US government after knowing the facts above ?

    They established their puppet for taking control of the South Asia Oil and energy resources.

    Regards,

    @AmericaThe Brave
    Your post.
    Tornado to unwisely suggest that a Christian would put a photo of Attaturk near their beloved Jesus Christ is well how does it go?…”laugh out loud funny”

    1) Suggestion and Fact are two different concepts. I am not suggesting, I am just witnessing what I have seen in this country. I am sure that Uncle Agop is not the only case. You should move your ash from the table in DC and try to face the facts of this country.

    2) That’s why I said in my previous posts that, you are ( a radical Christian ) thinking in the similar way as an Islamic radical. Way of thinking is same but way of action is different. ( Thank God )

    3) Please keep on laughing because your fantastic assumptions, and preconceived opinions are the ones used to bring the victory to the Turkish people at the war against imperialism. Thank God that you don’t move your ashes from your offices, and create false teories, don’t know the brotherhood of the etnic people in Turkey, don’t know how the Turkish ( Anatolian, Trakian, without considering the etnicity ) people are bound up in their freedom and in their independance, dont know how we deeply love Mustafa Kemal Atatürk.

    Regards Anyway.

    Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu

  94. serra turkmen says:

    RADICAL ISLAMIC POLITICAL GROUPS IN TURKEY

    http://meria.idc.ac.il/journal/1997/issue4/jv1n4a2.html

  95. AmericatheBrave says:

    Serra! Merhaba’
    Thank you for the interesting piece of information

  96. AmericatheBrave says:

    Tornado, honestly your posts are long winded but here goes for your answers.
    1) Opinions and Suggestions are based on FACT and substaniated evidence. This is how attorneys work and our laws are regulated and enforced. Nothing you have said is more than mere fodder. I know that Uncle Hagop (correct Armenian spelling) is fictional in your mind and doesn’t exist. Christians don’t put Attaturk or another other political leader near a photo of Jesus Christ. For you to suggest this is ludicrous. As such am I to understand that Moslem-Americans would put a photo of Mohammed next to a photo of the father of America George Washington? The notion is too silly and quite a laughable concept. Especially the Armenian, Assryians of Turkey /Middle East. They tend to be anti-government and have nothing to do with it.

    2) Accusing someone on an online blog / post of being a radical Christian as you have me is even more stupid than your #1 notion. You have no idea what my religious affliations are. I could be agnostic or athesist for all you know. I could be an ex-Gulen follower. As the other poster stated what does this have to do with the price of meat in Timbuktu? or about the DANGERS that Gulen has imposed on America and Turkey? Where are you going with this ludicrous crap?

    3) No one is laughing at your personally just your silly assumptions that Attaturk was some great savior of the Turkish people. OK, we get it, Attaturk took Turkey out of the deep dark bowels of the Ottoman Empire, changed the name of the country, changed the alphabet, adapted a more secular form of government. However, this is NOT WHAT TURKEY REALISTICALLY IS. You and I both know that Turkey’s government Gul and Erdogan are followers of Gulen and want for a more Islamic run government. Also Turkey is 99.5% Islamic. there are 1 mosque for every 300 Turkish citizens.
    Some Turks love Allah and some love Attaturk. This is the inner struggle of Turkey and it’s people, OK WE GET IT.

    I don’t think anyone doubts for a minute that the CIA’s interest in Gulen and Turkey is only for the Caspian Oil and other natural resources out of the rich Central Asian Turkic countries. Who has ever said elsewise on here?

    No offense Tornado, but you assume we are a bunch of uneducated Americans that have no knowledge of Turkey or anything outside the borders of America. We know much more than you think. Don’t assume we all live on TV and welfare (note the correct spelling) Just as we won’t stereotype ALL the Turkish people as Anti-Semantic, Anti-Christian, Anti-America bunch of radical Moslems that back Hamas and Hezbollah (Hizbullah) OK?
    If you want to continue posting or having conversations, please stick to facts instead of personal unfounded attacks or assumptions. America will win and Gulen and his cult will end up the losers. This I promise you, like a boomerang.

  97. erol alkan says:

    Kuvvai milliyeci torunu

    You say americans are ignorant of not knowing fethullah gulen. Well. How many turkish people knows about american david koresh? May be none. Can we be respectful to other nations than being arrogant. Americans learning about gulen s activities day by day and hopefully they will kick him out very soon. But if we talk about ignorance. Let’s talk about our education system how messed up recently. We have a university at every corner and so many graduates without knowledge and without jobs.

  98. AmericatheBrave says:

    Erol;
    Here is a take on the CIA being the puppetmaster of Gulen.

    The CIA wants to keep control of Turkey by creating friction with the population. The majority want a secular democracy where they identify with Europe and the West. However the government in place are all Gulen followers and hope to restore a form of Islam to the government of Turkey.

    CIA uses their strings on Gulen every time the Turkish government gets out of step they use their influence with Gulen to cause a sense of hostilty between the government of Turkey and the people.

  99. selin says:

    Siteniz çok güzel,oyunlar için teşekkürler.

  100. Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu says:

    Dear AmericaTheBrave,

    Sorry for the late answer due to my holiday.

    1) ” I know that Uncle Hagop (correct Armenian spelling) is fictional in your mind and doesn’t exist.”

    My brave and blind friend, Please keep on accepting like this. More you far away from the FACTS, more chance to win for us against imperialism.

    2) You may be right by saying “You have no idea what my religious affliations are. I could be agnostic or athesist for all you know. ” I just consider the websites name; The Last Crusade.

    3) You are missing the most important part by saying ” Attaturk was some great savior of the Turkish people. OK, we get it, Attaturk took Turkey out of the deep dark bowels of the Ottoman Empire, changed the name of the country, changed the alphabet, adapted a more secular form of government.”

    ATATÜRK AND THE TURKISH PEOPLE WAS THE FIRST EXAMPLE THAT HAVE WON THE WAR AGAINST IMPERIALISM IN THE HISTORY.

    @Erol Alkan

    Your Post
    ” Can we be respectful to other nations than being arrogant. ”

    Dear Mr Alkan, How can you be respectfull to your neighbour who is planning to enter your home(LAND) and try to steal all your property (oil, mines, labor), your and your children’s freedom, and future as well ? ”

    Regards

    Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu

  101. AmericatheBrave says:

    Merhaba Torunu;
    You almost had some credibility to your post until you posted
    “ATATÜRK AND THE TURKISH PEOPLE WAS THE FIRST EXAMPLE THAT HAVE WON THE WAR AGAINST IMPERIALISM IN THE HISTORY.”

    You are as we say in america “yanking our chain” aren’t you?

    Because the Ottoman Turkish EMPIRE was the Caliphate of Imperialism/Expandism in the WORLD. The Ottomans Turkish Mongolians Seljuks came from Central Asia in the 1400’s and expanded west. They were not done, they invaded 60% of Europe and approixmately 80% of the middle east and throughout north Africa.

    They didn’t win the war against Imperialism they created wars based on Imperialism with their many invasions. Every war they fought was not on their land but via invasions and conquering.

    Why do you think Europe doesn’t want Turkey in the European Union? They remember the Caliphate, and brutality of the Ottoman Turkish Empire. Not sure when the world will ever forget, maybe when the Republic of Turkey (ROT) starts to acknowledge their bloody past.

    There is also a sense of ROT pulling away from Western values of democracy and aligning itself with radicalism such as Hamas, Hezbollah, Pakistan (who they sold nuclear components to via the Giza Technology Group) and of course Iran. But even Iran remembers the Persian / Ottoman Wars and has no trust in the Brotherhood of Moslems. Not a lot of options…Europe doesn’t want you, Russia only has dialog becuase of oil issues with Azerbaijan, your Arab moslem brothers don’t trust you and your only partner Israel is done with you.
    As it sits, the ROT has a collective bad memory of anything prior to 1924. For those that forget history we are doomed to repeat it.

  102. Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu says:

    AmericaTheBrave Hi,

    Oh I figure out that you are only considering imperialism as expandism.
    But you are not considering the exploid part. I mean to exploid the nations and generations till death.

    Yes you are right once Ottomans went almost in the midle of the Europa and all the balkanian contries, too.

    And ımperialsit countries concured a whole continent which is Africa, too.

    Lets come to today, in balkanian peninsula there are too many bridges, roads, libriries, ex universities that were built and leaved by Ottomans. I dont know any thing about to put the citizens of tha balkanian or midle eastern countires in chains, transfer via sailing boats, and brougth them in Istanbul and sell them to the public markets as slaves.
    Have you heard any film or TV program like THE ROOTS which was in Ottoman times. ?
    When were you end up with the salvery in USA ?

    In which country Ottomans ruined the underground mines and transfer evverything to Istanbul and Anatolia.
    If thet have transfered that mines, or raw materials to Anatolia, how come Anatolia was so poor in development at the nineteen-twenties ?

    If you know please let me know too.

    Imperialism is not only expandism my friend but to exploid all the generations, all the mines and resources as well.

    Hunger, Civil wars, illnesses like AİDS, transfered mines and oil resources, poorness of all the nations are the only ones that imperialists ( English, French, dutch, belgian, italian, spanian, and American, ) had left in Africa. Dont you think so ?

    Please compare these with the Ottoman ( so called ) imperialsim then you can figure out the meaning of ımperialism more easly.

    Regards,

    Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu

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