Paul L. Williams, Ph.D.

East Turkistan is not a real country, although it receives millions in foreign aid from the United Nations and the United States.

Only one organization and one country recognize the existence of this mythical place – – the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and Turkey.

The leader of this country does not reside in the steeps of Asia but in Chicago, Illinois.

East Turkistan represents an area of the Xinjiang province of China that is south of the Tian Shan mountains. It is inhabited by 8 million Uyghurs, 1 million Kazaks and Kyrgyrs, and 7 million Han Chinese.

East Turkistan was made a country by the proclamation of Morton Abramowitz, a former Ambassador to Turkey, and CIA operative Graham Fuller in a ceremony that was held in Washington DC in September 2004. They also singled out Enver Turani, a resident of Chicago, to serve as the head of this new phantom government

Why would Abramowitz, who now serves as a senior fellow at The Century Foundation and Fuller, presently a senior political scientist for the Rand Foundation, take such extraordinary measures to carve out a “nation in exile” from a vast swath of mainland China?

The answer resides with the Gulen movement and gives further credence to the allegation that Fethullah Gulen, who lives within a mountain fortress in Saylorsburg, Pennsylvania, is “the most dangerous Islamist on planet earth.”

In recent years, the CIA has assisted Gulen in his effort to restore the Ottoman Empire and to create a New Islamic World Order by channeling billions into the coffers of his movement. More revenue was provided by UNOCAL, Gulen’s major corporate sponsor, which has major oil and natural gas interests in the “stans” of Central Asia. Hamid Karzai, president of Afghanistan, once worked as a senior consultant for UNOCAL.

Gulen, an exile from Turkey, used some of this money to fund the Justice and Democratic Party (Adalet ve Kalkinma, AKP), which has gained control of the government in his native land.

Abdullah Gul, Turkey’s first Islamist President, is a Gulen disciple along with Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, and Yusuf Ziya Ozcan, the head of Turkey’s Council of Higher Education.

Under the AKP, Turkey has transformed from a secular state into an Islamic country with 85,000 active mosques – – one for every 350- citizens – – the highest number per capita in the world, 90,000 imams, more imams than teachers and physicians – – and thousands of state-run Islamic schools.

Gulen also used a portion of his vast fortune to establish thousands of Islamic schools throughout the newly created Russian republics of Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, and Azerbaijan.

These countries were populated by Turks – – Turks who were once part of the Ottoman Empire – – Turks who still speak Turkish and practice Turkish customs.

According to Sibel Edmonds, who served as a translator of Turkish governments for the FBI, the CIA sought to gain control of the vast natural gas and oil reserves of the newly created Russian republics by using Turkey as a proxy since the inhabitants of these countries remain virulently Anti-American.

Fethullah Gulen represented the means for the CIA to gain a footing in Turkey and the Turkish republics.

Like the inhabitants of the new republics, Gulen is a Turk, who intent upon the establishment of a universal caliphate, and a militant Islamist, who seeks to indoctrinate youth in the political teachings of the Qu’ran.

The strategy has worked like a charm from the jinn and untold millions of inhabitants of Central Asia are members of the Gulen movement who seek unification under a newly restored Islamic order.

Moreover, Turkey, under the AKP, has forged a strong alliance with Iran. This alliance was largely achieved through the workings of the Gulen movement among the Azeri population of Iran who speak Turkish rather than Farsi.

But, for total control of the natural resources of Central Asia, the CIA recognized the necessity of setting the stage for the annexation of the portion of China’s Xinjiang province that is largely inhabited by Turkish Muslims (Uyhars, Kazaks, and Kygyrs) into the new pan-Islamic empire.

The plans to accomplish this objective, according to Sibel Edmonds and court documents concerning Gulen’s application for permanent residency in the US, got underway in 1999 under the Clinton Administration.

Hundreds of Muslim Uyghurs from Xinjiang were transported to Afghanistan – -thanks to the CIA – – for training in Afghanistan under Osama bin Laden and the mujahadeen.

Following their training, the Uyghurs returned to Xinjiang to form The East Turkistan Islamic Movement, an organization affiliated with al Qaeda that has launched terror attacks throughout the Xinjiang province.

Like the Gulen Movement, the East Turkistan Islamic Movement was funded by money from the CIA’s control of the poppy fields.

Sibel Edmonds testified that he US needed “to keep its fingerprints off these operations” in order to avoid a popular revolt in Central Asia and severe repercussions from China and Russia.”

Court recorders and testimony from former state department officials support the following conclusions:

1. The CIA has allowed the flow of heroin from Afghanistan into Europe and the United States in order to fund the Gulen movement.

2. The CIA has worked to establish a pan-Islamic state throughout Central Asia, including the Xinjiang province of China, in order to gain access for US firms to the substantial oil and natural reserves of this geographic area.

3. The CIA has worked with Osama bin Laden in order to create the East Turkistan Islamic Movement, a new Islamic terrorist organization.

Unfortunately, the above is merely the tip of the iceberg.

Stay tuned for more.


For more about Graham Fuller see the RIGHT TRUTH review of Fuller’s book “A World Without Islam”

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  1. Beware of these schools, their foreign teachers and uncanny ability to stay in business enrolling underprivileged children. Where does the money come from, who pays the tuition? Follow the money. More articles on the Gulen Movement to come.

  2. luis lopez says:

    resistiremos con uñas y dientes.Viva la última cruzada

  3. Muchisimo gracias Luis!

  4. AmericatheBrave says:

    Gulen is a fake and fraud, puppet for the CIA to gain a foothold on the lucrative natural resources of the Turkish Speaking Central Asian countries. Gulen was a Plaintiff vs. US Homeland Security (Chertoff) who didn’t see the academic value of 5th grade educated Gulen who professes to be a scholar (same claim the Turkish teachers immigrated to the USA are making)
    It was Graham Fuller who signed off on this complaint in Federal Court and backed Gulen’s status and entry to the USA. Graham Fuller et al are only interested in how they can make money off of Gulen. Here is part of Gulen Vs. US Homeland Security.
    No. 07-CV-2148
    V. !
    Judge Dalzell
    Plaintiff Fetullah Gulen asks this Court to find that
    the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services’
    final action on his application for a preference visa as an
    alien of extraordinary ability in the field of education was
    arbitrary and capricious and not supported by substantial
    evidence. Because the evidence of record, all supplied by
    plaintiff, makes it very clear that plaintiff does not meet
    the statutory requirements, his motion for summary judgment
    should be denied.
    As explained in Defendants’ Memorandum in Support of
    Motion for Partial Summary Judgment (Deft. Mem.), summary
    judgment is appropriate where the moving party, through
    affidavits, depositions, admissions, and answers to
    interrogatories, demonstrates that there is no genuine issue
    Case 2:07-cv-02148-SD Document 31 Filed 06/18/2008 Page 1 of 26
    as to any material fact and the moving party is entitled to
    judgment as a matter of law. Jalil v. Advel Corp., 873 F.2d
    701, 706 (3d Cir. 1989); Fed. R. Civ. P. 56(c). Because
    this case arises under the Administrative Procedures Act,
    plaintiff must show that there is no issue of material fact
    and that the agency action was arbitrary, capricious, an
    abuse of discretion, contrary to law, or unsupported by
    substantial evidence. 5 U.S.C. § 706; Camphill Soltane v.
    U.S. Department of Justice, 381 F.3d 143, 148 {3d Cir.
    2004). Substantial evidence in this context is “more than a
    mere scintilla” but “something less than the weight of the
    evidence, and the possibility of drawing two inconsistent
    conclusions from the evidence does not prevent an
    administrative agency’s findings from being supported by
    substantial evidence.” Port Norris Express Co.. Inc. v.
    Interstate Commerce Commission, et al., 697 F.2d 497, 502
    (3d Cir. 1982). The nonmoving party (here, the government)
    can defeat summary judgment by identifying substantial
    evidence of record which supports the agency’s decision.
    As set forth in Defendants’ Memorandum, the term
    “extraordinary ability” means a level of expertise
    indicating that the individual is one of the small
    Case 2:07-cv-02148-SD Document 31 Filed 06/18/2008 Page 2 of 26
    percentage who have risen to the very top of the field of
    endeavor. 8 C.F.R. § 204.5(h)(2); Yasar v. DHS. 2006 WL
    778623, *1 (S.D.Tex.) (“This type of visa … is the most
    preferential classification available for immigrants who are
    considered ‘priority workers,’ and so it is reserved for
    aliens whose credentials and accomplishments place them at
    the very top of their field.”) To establish that he is an
    alien of extraordinary ability in one of the designated
    fields, a petitioner must show that he has achieved
    sustained national or international acclaim at the very top
    level. 8 C.F.R. § 204.5(h)(3). To prevail on his motion
    for summary judgment, then, plaintiff must show that the
    undisputed facts of record establish that he has achieved a
    level of expertise in the field of education which places
    him at the very top of the field of education, and that the
    agency’s decision to the contrary was arbitrary, capricious,
    unsupported by substantial evidence, or contrary to law.
    In this case, the record contains facts which suggest
    that plaintiff has made contributions to the field of
    education by advocating the establishment of schools in
    Turkey and elsewhere, and the agency has acknowledged that.
    See A.R. 00010-00011 (AAO decision). However, the record
    Case 2:07-cv-02148-SD Document 31 Filed 06/18/2008 Page 3 of 26
    also contains overwhelming evidence that plaintiff is not an
    expert in the field of education, is not an educator, and is
    certainly not one of a small percentage of experts in the
    field of education who have risen to the very top of that
    field. Further, the record contains overwhelming evidence
    that plaintiff is primarily the leader of a large and
    influential religious and political movement with immense
    commercial holdings. The record further shows that much of
    the “acclaim” that plaintiff claims to have achieved has
    been sponsored and financed by plaintiff’s own movement. It
    is the government’s position that the evidence of record
    permits only one conclusion: that plaintiff has failed to
    meet the requirements of an alien of extraordinary ability
    in the field of education.
    In his Memorandum of Law in Support of Plaintiff’s
    Motion for Summary Judgment (Pi. Mem.), plaintiff has
    attempted to reframe the issue for this Court as whether
    plaintiff is involved in education, and whether he has
    achieved sustained international acclaim. The difficulty
    for plaintiff is that the statute requires that he show that
    he has achieved sustained national or international acclaim
    in the field of education and that he has attained a level
    Case 2:07-cv-02148-SD Document 31 Filed 06/18/2008 Page 4 of 26
    of expertise that places him at the very top of the field of
    education. His attainment of international acclaim in the
    field of religious tolerance and interfaith dialogue is
    irrelevant. Similarly, whether religious scholars recognize
    him as a leader in the field of religious tolerance and
    interfaith dialogue is irrelevant. Religious tolerance and
    interfaith dialogue are not fields for which Congress has
    granted visa preferences.
    Two analogies illustrate the difference. The
    industrialist Andrew Carnegie gave millions of dollars to
    establish libraries and colleges all over the United States.
    This would not make Andrew Carnegie a person of
    extraordinary ability in the field of education if he were
    alive today; he would still be an industrialist. Scholars
    all over the world study the work of Albert Einstein and
    recognize him as a leader in the field of physics. If he
    were alive today he would certainly be a person of
    extraordinary ability in the field of science, but he would
    not be a person of extraordinary ability in the field of
    education. Plaintiff is a leader in the fields of religious
    tolerance and interfaith dialogue; the fact that he supports
    education and his work is studied by educators does not
    Case 2:07-cv-02148-SD Document 31 Filed 06/18/2008 Page 5 of 26
    convert him into a leader in the field of education.
    At page 39 of his Memorandum, plaintiff argues that
    because most universities “show subject matter disciplines
    organized as departments, such as … theology …. the
    field of education is broad and encompasses many fields of
    studies, including theology.” This argument makes the
    statutory limitation of aliens of extraordinary ability to
    the fields of science, arts, education, business and
    athletics meaningless. If every discipline taught in
    universities were encompassed in the field of education,
    there would be no reason for Congress to have singled out
    science, arts, business and athletics, since most
    universities have departments in all those fields. It could
    have simply provided visa preferences for aliens of
    extraordinary ability in education. It did not do so,
    however; it set forth specific fields to which the visa
    preference applies. The fact that theology is a legitimate
    field of study at the university level does not make
    theologians into experts in the field of education.
    In his Memorandum, plaintiff sets up various straw
    arguments and shoots them down. First, he states that
    “Defendants’ arbitrary decision that Plaintiff can have only
    Case 2:07-cv-02148-SD Document 31 Filed 06/18/2008 Page 6 of 26
    one occupation, either clergy or education, is contrary to
    established binding precedent.” PI. Mem., at 37. Defendants
    made no such decision. Defendants found first that
    plaintiff applied for the visa preference as a clergyman.
    A.R. 00002; see also A.R. 00243-245 (plaintiff’s 1-140
    petition, which identifies plaintiff as a clergyman and
    makes no mention of education). Defendants did not
    foreclose the possibility that religious leaders could be
    persons of extraordinary ability in the field of education:
    We do not contest that certain religious figures,
    such as the Pope, have previously engaged in
    educational activities or, as noted by Professor
    Esposito, that religious organizations have
    operated institutions of learning. These examples
    of religious leaders or institutions promoting or
    providing education do not establish that
    religious occupations fall within the field of
    A.R. at 00005. The AAO concluded that plaintiff had not
    established that his field of expertise fell within the
    sciences, arts, education, business or athletics. The AAO
    did not conclude that no religious figure could so qualify.
    Similarly, plaintiff asserts that defendants
    “arbitrarily concluded that Plaintiff can have only one
    occupation or area of expertise.” PI. Mem., at 38. This is
    not an accurate characterization of the AAO’s decision.
    Case 2:07-cv-02148-SD Document 31 Filed 06/18/2008 Page 7 of 26
    Defendants examined the evidence submitted by plaintiff in
    depth, including both evidence of his religious activities
    and evidence of his role in educational activities, and
    concluded that he had not established that he is an alien of
    extraordinary ability in the field of education or that he
    intends to continue working in the field of education.
    A.R. 00014.
    Plaintiff asserts that he has produced substantial
    evidence of his alleged expertise in the field of education,
    but he points to very little actual evidence. He states
    that he has expertise in the field of education “because he
    has developed methods of teaching that incorporate religious
    tolerance into educational institutions” (PI. Mem., at 40),
    but he nowhere identifies those methods. He claims he
    “focuses on teaching religious tolerance to children at a
    young age as part of their education” (id.), but he presents
    no evidence to support this claim. None of his writings set
    forth curricula or teaching methodology; none of his
    writings are addressed to children; he has presented no
    evidence that he himself teaches children, or teaches people
    who teach children. He claims his work is used by “hundreds
    of schools based on Plaintiff’s methodologies” (.id.), but he
    Case 2:07-cv-02148-SD Document 31 Filed 06/18/2008 Page 8 of 26
    nowhere identifies or describes those methodologies.1
    Plaintiff argues that “entire conferences have been
    held focusing on his scholarly work, including his work in
    the field of education.” Pi. Mem., at 43. As an example,
    he cites a conference which he claims “was organized by the
    British government (House of Lords),” among others. See PI
    Mem., at 43, 51, 62. The evidence does not support this
    assertion. The Proceedings of that conference were
    submitted by plaintiff in support of his application, and
    copies of relevant portions are attached hereto as Exhibit
    A. The House of Lords is listed under the somewhat
    misleading heading “Organisers & Venues,” and the materials
    indicate that one of the sessions was held at the House of
    Lords, but there is nothing whatsoever to suggest that
    either the British government or the House of Lords in any
    way endorsed, sponsored or organized this conference.
    Ex. A, at 00001-00002.2
    1 “Methodology” is defined as “[t]he system of
    principles, procedures, and practices applied to a
    particular branch of knowledge,” or “[t]he branch of logic
    dealing with the general principles of the formation of
    knowledge.” Webster’s II New Riverside University
    Dictionary. Houghton Mifflin Co. 1988, at 747.
    2 The conference web site,
    (accessed June 12, 2008), lists Parliament under the heading
    “Venues,” but lists no governmental entity under the heading
    Case 2:07-cv-02148-SD Document 31 Filed 06/18/2008 Page 9 of 26
    An examination of the Proceedings reveals that none of
    the presenters is an expert in the field of education. Ex.
    A, at 00003-00051. Most of the presenters are students or
    professors of religion or political science; several of them
    are associated with the Gulen movement.3
    The papers presented at the conference reveal that the
    Gulen movement is primarily religious and political, not
    educational. For example, Mustafa Akyol, in his paper “What
    Made the Gulen Movement Possible,” states:
    The line of reasoning that Gulen articulates – the
    argument for an Islam which demands a liberal
    democratic, not Islamic, state – also explains the
    remarkable alliance in today’s Turkey between
    Muslim conservatives, and especially the Gulen
    movement, and the secular liberals. Their
    coalition is in favour of the EU bid and
    democratization, whereas the nationalist front –
    which includes die-hard secular Kemalists, ultraright
    wing Turkish nationalists, and hardliner
    Islamists – abhors both of those objectives. It
    is no accident the daily Zaman and its English
    language sister publication, Today’s Zaman – which
    both belong to the Gulen movement – hosts [sic]
    many liberal columnists.
    3 For example, Y. Alp Aslandogan is editor of The
    Fountain magazine and vice-president of the Institute of
    Interfaith Dialog, both Gulen movement associated
    organizations. Ex. A at 00022, 00050. Muharamed Cetin is
    president of the movement’s Institute of Interfaith Dialog
    and co-founder and former editor of The Fountain. Ex. A at
    00026. Dogan Koc is co-founder and secretary of the
    Institute of Interfaith Dialog. Ex. A at 00040.
    Case 2:07-cv-02148-SD Document 31 Filed 06/18/2008 Page 10 of 26
    Ex. A at 00053.
    In his paper “The Fethullah Gulen Movement as a
    Transnational Phenomenon,” Bill Park describes the
    movement’s use of education as a way to “Islamize” society:
    Gulen propagates a kind of ‘educational Islamism’
    as opposed to a ‘political Islamism’ ….
    Through the internalized spiritual transformation
    of individuals will come a wider social
    transformation and, at least in Islamic societies
    (including Turkey) in which Gulen institutions
    operate, a (re-) ‘Islamisation’ of modernity.
    Thus, politics in Turkey and perhaps in other
    Islamic societies in which the movement operates
    should be ‘Islamized’ only via a bottom-up process
    and indirectly, in which people and state are
    reunited in a kind of organic way, through a
    shared attachment to and internalization of faith.
    In this sense, the Gulen movement’s mission in the
    Islamic societies in which it operates can be said
    to be a political project, but one that aspires to
    achieve its goals indirectly.
    Ex. A at 00055 (citation omitted).
    The Conference Proceedings also reveal that the Gulen
    movement involves a great deal more than inspiring followers
    to establish schools. In “Funding Gulen-Inspired Good
    Works: Demonstrating and Generating Commitment to the
    Movement,” Helen Rose Ebaugh and Dogan Koc state:
    The projects sponsored by Gulen-inspired followers
    today number in the thousands, span international
    borders and are costly in terms of human and
    financial capital. These initiatives include over
    2000 schools and seven universities in more than
    ninety countries in five continents, two modern
    Case 2:07-cv-02148-SD Document 31 Filed 06/18/2008 Page 11 of 26
    hospitals, the Zaman newspaper (now in both a
    Turkish and English edition), a television channel
    (Samanyolu), a radio channel (Burc FM), CHA (a
    major Turkish news agency), Aksiyon (a leading
    weekly news magazine), national and international
    Gulen conferences, Ramadan interfaith dinners,
    interfaith dialog trips to Turkey from countries
    around the globe and the many programs sponsored
    by the Journalists and Writers Foundation. In
    addition, the Isik insurance company and Bank
    Asya, an Islamic bank, are affiliated with the
    Gulen community.
    Ex. A at 00057 (citations omitted).
    There are several interesting aspects to the abovequoted
    passage. First, it is important to note that the
    authors refer to schools “sponsored by Gulen-inspired
    followers,” not established or sponsored by plaintiff.4 Of
    equal importance, the passage refers to the movement’s
    sponsorship of “national and international Gulen
    conferences.” This evidence is consistent with the contents
    of the radio interview quoted at length in defendants’
    memorandum in support of their motion for summary judgment,
    and suggests that the academic conferences plaintiff relies
    on to support his claim that he is recognized as a scholar
    4 A number of the letters submitted in support of
    plaintiff’s petition reference schools established or
    founded by plaintiff. See A.R. 00031-00037, 01082-01165.
    These references appear to be mistaken; there is no evidence
    that plaintiff played any direct role in establishing any
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  5. Mete says:

    We also hate those guys ruining our country… They use our religion for their own benefit and try to split our country to pieces. With their evil games now kurdish are demanding land, seperate individual football leaguea and more.

    We do not need any changes in our country actually . Everybody is free to speak and live their language and culture. It is same for hundreds of years.

  6. Yolvas says:

    I am not a fan of Gulan or his religious teachings. But I think the writer is not aware of the history of Uyghurs or East Turkestan and highly suspicious of CIA. His argument is based upon false assumptions, exaggeration and contradictory conclusion. His writing simply has no credibility whatsoever. All of his three conclusions look stupid. I am not sure if he does indeed have a PhD degree or a degree equivalent to Gulen’s.

  7. Yolvas:

    Thanks for the humour!

  8. Therese says:

    America the Brave. What a great article and argument you present. You have explained some very relevant points which I have wondered about for ages i.e. Turkey. Thanks a lot for that and it will go into my Turkish folder. More fuel against the Gulan movement.

  9. Kim Bruce says:

    So in other words, the CIA may have been responsible for the attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon?
    I find this hard to believe.
    The CIA has sponsored terrorism worldwide, is allowing heroin into our countries, like shit through a goose, so they can sponsor Fethullah Gulen’s movement to overthow the US and create a world Caliphate?
    I all sounds like sci-fi conspiracy, to me.

  10. Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu says:

    Dear AmericatheBrave,

    I was away for a while , Just Back from my holiday.
    Thank you for the article that shows the imperialists aims of the US corporates.

    May I copy paste these article indicating the CIA support to Gulen organisation to our Kemalist web site ?


    Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu

  11. AmericatheBrave says:

    Merhaba Torunu;
    Welcome back, I am sure you didn’t go to the beaches in Israel. I hear from my Yahudi friends they are all canceling their vacations to Turkey and this has cost Turkey a loss of $400 million in tourism.

    I say “post away” have at it. This is no big secret with Turkish people they all know the CIA is the enabler and puppetmaster of the Pasha of Pennsylvania. They both use each other, and get what they want. The CIA makes money off of the Turkish Heroin Rings which are huge throughout Europe: Romania, Spain, England and German just busted million dollar rings. Not to mention the USA.
    The CIA taunts the people of Turkey with the secular vs. Islamization disruption and divide. They use the money to create or finance civil unrest in other countries (Iran, Chile in the 1970s, et al) .

    It was the Turkish people like Sibel Edmonds who brought it to everyone’s attention that the CIA was the puppet /puppetmaster in the love/hate relationship with Gulen. Gulen unites all the Turkic countries with his Assembly of Turkic American Federations – every military, corporation, oil company, defense contractor was at the flag ship cocktail party in May 2010. Who do you think paid for this? ………..RUMI Forum. aka Fethullah Gulen. Don’t you think it is ironic that 3 CIA personnel wrote letters of reference for Gulen to gain admittance in the USA as a “special educator” when the knucklehead fake only has a 5th grade education? These are not coincidences.

  12. AmericatheBrave says:

    I wanted to mention that was not an article I wrote— that is an actual court hearing on Fethullah Gulen vs. US Homeland Security (Chertoff) you can access the actual court documents yourself. The above is a copy and paste of the court’s discussion and decisions about Gulen. It is a long case and I included only 2/3 of it.

  13. AmericatheBrave says:

    Here is a nice write up on the reception and gathering of 53 US Congressman, it seems everyone wants a hand in the pie of Central Asia.

  14. Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu says:


    Thank you for the information.


    Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu

  15. E. Moreno says:

    Thank you so much for the posting of so much information. I went to take a look at one of the Harmony Schools to enroll my son prior to doing my own research about the school. I thought it odd how the principal could not even talk english (he was turkish). He gave me a tour of an outdated office bldg. that had a stale odor and was dirty. It looked like a front that was my first impression and now I know why. I found your article when researching. Along with alot of other information on how they gear the children towards everything turkish. I think its great to learn of other cultures but there are no other teachings of any other countries in the cirriculum. Thanks again I am a very concerned parent and worried about many other children that are being used for this scheme. I will inform everyone I know about it. As for the goverments role in this I am not at all surprised they don’t care what they do to any of us, we are all fare game. Thier dirty work has gone on since the birth of this country.

  16. Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu says:


    I was at the wonderfull beaches of Antalya where imperialism wanted to leave it to İtalians at 1919.

    Why should I go to beaches at Israel. First they are terrible hot. Second most of the Israiles want to have a holiday in Antalya Hotels. Cheap and not so hot like Israilies.

    Yes you are right some of them cancelled their bookings, I have heard it too but I have experienced some israeli neighbours, an d some iranian neighbours in our 5 star holiday village. We all swimm hapily and friendly.

    Almost all the cancelations are rebooked by european and russian people. Its hart to find a good room in Antalya hotels nowadays.
    If you dont believe me please try some bookings.

    Sorry for the facts.
    Facts may be different from what is seen from US.


    Kuvvai Milliyeci Torunu

  17. AmericatheBrave says:

    it is “israelis”
    The Italians didn’t want the beaches of Antalya, they already had it centuries before they just wanted to reclaim the Roman Empire.

    Europeans no way! ha ha that is too funny. Europeans stay in Europe to vacation. and the only Russians that go to Turkey are prostitutes and mighty fine ones i might add.

    We have no problem with the facts and truth, we don’t have article 301 that censors outside truth and only allows government sponsored propaganda.

    Remember I was in military and stationed in Turkey nothing you tell me is passing by me.

  18. Therese says:

    Kuwai Milliyeci Torunu Bey,

    Go suck eggs mate. I own an apartment in Antalya, you must never have lived there. It is the hottest city in Turkey on a day by day basis of 44 degrees day in and day out. Are you insane with your claims. But then Turks never let facts get in their way. Taqiyya I think it is called.

    I wish the Italians had stayed there. Perhaps I would not have been able to afford an apartment there then. But, that’s life my friend.

    There are still hotels and fine ones in Antalya and many you will not find on the net.

    Antalya, is a great example of who was there first. Antalya has layers and layers of civilization. Greek, Roman, Byzantium, Crusader palaces, as well as the very ancient Anatolean races and it is flogged to the tourists. Not a lot left from the murdering Ottomans unless you count all the Christian churches stripped of their Iconography and beauty and replaced with bums to the air pointing to Allah which belong to the boys only church they believe in.

    I once asked my friend why women were not allowed into the floor of the Jami and she said that their men were too sexy and could not be trusted. I agree, they cannot be trusted and they lie, just like you.

    As for the Natasha girls. I have met many of them. Mostly driven to this work by the corruption in the Ukraine and Russia. They would love to be in their own country and be able to earn a living but this is not the reality of their world unfortunately. I have know many of them and they certainly do not choose this life and many are badly beaten. Some end up in a permanent relationship with a Turkish man just for shelter. They have a dreadrul life as you would know and many die and are never found again. No one looks for them and they are soon forgotten. If you know Turkey you must know there are a million places to hide bodies.

  19. Therese says:

    America the Brave, I also wanted to tell you about a film from Afghanistan called Osama. the first film made after the ousting of the Taliban. It is a very sad story about a little girl who poses as a boy to learn to read and write. A must see film of the plight of Muslim woman and girls. It was made by an Afghan film maker.

  20. serra says:

    i watched that movie with my mother Therese, in one of the Turkish Tv channels, the saddest movie ever. My mother said she would rather kill herself and me instead of facing with that dreadful situation. Persepolis is a nice movie too, to understand what was going on in Iran from the little girl´s eyes.

  21. AmericatheBrave says:

    Therese thanks for the reminder I heard it is an exceptional movie! Reminder though there are many educated Afghani women. I know 6 Afghani Doctors – 4 are women and 2 are sisters. They all went to the University of Kabul.

    Check out “The Kite Runner” an excellent book and movie about the friendship of 2 Afghani boys from different tribes.

  22. Therese says:

    Thank you too AmericantheBrave, and I have the DVD of The Kite Runner it is an outstanding film. Always enjoy it once a year or so. These people have so much to offer and yet…………………? There is always hope. I went to University with a woman from Afghanistan. We have many Afghanistan people in Australia and they actually opened up the centre of Australia more than 150 years ago. This is why we have hundreds of camels roaming the interior and desert regions of this country and we now export camels to overseas destinations as they are pure bred. Strange how things go.

    Serra, I did not know about Persepolis but I will track it down thank you and did you see The Colours of Paradise from Iran? also a heartwarming experience and glad to hear they are showing it on Turkish TV. Thanks a lot for this.

  23. Therese says:

    Dear supporters of Afghan women,
    Disguised in boys’ clothes, two girls aged 13 and 14 had been fleeing for two days over mountain passes into Herat Province to escape their illegal, forced marriages to much older men. A police officer spotted them as girls and sent them back to their remote village in Ghor Province. There they were publicly and viciously flogged for daring to run away from their husbands.

    Their tormentors, who videotaped the abuse, were not the Taliban, but local mullahs and the former warlord, now a pro-government figure who largely rules the district where the girls live. Sympathizers of the victims smuggled out two video recordings of the floggings.

    This is just one of the depressing stories we hear from Afghanistan. You can read the full report at our web site If you can bear to watch the flogging you can see the video there as well.

    Stories like these remind us again how important it is to support the work of RAWA, the Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan. RAWA offers shelter to girls, education to orphans and a future of financial security for war widows through literacy and home industry training. To secure the continued operation of the school and the Vocational Training Centre for women supported by SAWA, the stream of donations has to be kept at a steady rate of flow. Please do not forget your sisters in Afghanistan.

    This came my way today. Life is so ugly for these women and girls. Thought I had to add it to our web site as it is worth remembering these things.

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